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world of the 1930’s, but if that where the case then why is korea divided into north and south? Wasn’t it all under
Japanese Colonial Rule? Also, tibet is not listed as a country in this map, and yet Mongolia is? Both Countries where equally illegitimate and unrecognized at the time, in maps of 1930’s asia, you should either list both countries as part of china, or list them both as independent, you shouldn’t just list one as independent and forget the other, its both, or neither. Finally, even if this was a completely accurate map of the political status in the 30’s, I still think you should switch the map to a map of the modern world, with imperial borders superimposed on the modern map, as many of the dutch colonies shown as part of the dutch empire in the 1930’s map, where not part of the dutch empire at the time, and overall I have no idea why there is a map of the 30’s world here in the beginning. I hope you all take my edit suggestions into consideration, and get a better map of the Dutch Empire. Please Respond with your own ideas and take on my suggestions if you have the time.
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