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articles that tie the plot together: the subparts of our total coverage of the series, and NOT PLOT refers only to total coverage. . Myself, I find that the plot of a series such as this is much much easier to understand by going character by character than episode by episode. Going episode by episode has to deal with the fact the episode are written for suspense, and always leaves something inconclusive, and that series like this have multiple threads running at the same time. Knowledge (XXG) writes to be understood, andI think this means the arrangement of the material in a series must be divided up this way, If others think it better other ways, =let them write it the way they want--we're not paper. The wording seems a little diffuse, as is common for plot, and can be tightened by maybe 10%, though it's actually better than most--many need tightening by 50%. As for references, all it has to be referenced to is the original work--plot elements are best sourced from the work itself, except for interpretation. So just add the indication of just what episode the events come in. If I were a scholar of the subject I would want the exact timing for everything, but we usually do not go into such detail. There is, btw, no point tagging with prod, as episode article deletions are not uncontroversial and someone will surely remove the prod tag.
859:, it was rape. The characters say it was rape! How can it not be? Does he have to hold her at gunpoint? Oh yeah he kinda did that. Knife point? Does he have to jump from the woods? Does it have to occur on Lifetime, where every woman is raped? I don't see why EJ can't be included in "fictional rapists" temporarily until it is proven that he did not do so (or retconned), almost everything implies it was rape from the crying to the testimonials. I have no agenda, I'm just perplexed by Knowledge (XXG). I will retract my statement about the producer if it's true. Off Topic: Consensus? A consensus is used to keep order not determine facts. It seems to me information is decided by popular vote rather than being verifiable. When Jack dies (again lol) he should be listed as deceased, not MIA because we know (more or less) he is coming back and a consensus is reached that Jack is in Hawaii.
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What does? NBC crediting him as that? Everyone in the show referring to him as that? We have all that. What else do you need? Seriously, that's ridiculous. It's NBC's word against... yours, that his name is E.J. DiMera. Lucas' page has been changed to Lucas Horton, and he's way more connected to the
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Well I am not a troll, and as you can see I did not change any of the information on this page. I did not edit any of it. All I did was simply state what I saw in the credits and see where it may lead.I haven't been in here recently but the people I usually interact with are very helpful.They are not
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Well first off, parenthicals are not allowed unless they label (adoptive) or (legal) or even (miscarriage); all others are not to be used. So why people continue to use them is beyond my imagination. Do I believe they're retconning the storyline? Of course! Do I believe
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He has? The first suggestion of making this page E.J. DiMera instead of Wells, came over a year ago now, and even by that point he'd been being called DiMera for a while. He's only been on the show since 2006 and it was in 2007 that the name "DiMera" started replacing Wells. And it hasn't been Wells
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Well, it's been two months since then. He's still called E.J. DiMera on the show, he's still credited as E.J. DiMera in the credits, and the name "E.J. Wells" hasn't been spoken in probably about a year on the show. At what point do we cede the face that the name "E.J. Wells" is apparently dead, and
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Stefano is not EJ's father. But was there a DNA test? This is retconned, and bad story telling in my opinion, as Stefano ENGINEERED EJ to be his son. I say in the infobox section, we don't change anything and add unnecessary parenthicals. Obviously, the
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Wow, and this why I will never officially join wikipedia. Characters say scene is the one thing, the script implies the very same thing, it seems blatantly obvious, the executive producer verifies it and yet because the fans/wikiphiles say it is not so it simply is not so. Thank you
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It is sanctioned, but that's an issue for another time. ;) Technically, the site does spell the name the same way that NBC does -- end credits show that he is listed as E.J. Wells. NBC is inconsistent with the way that E.J.'s name is referenced -- he has been listed as both EJ Wells and E.J. Wells.
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Look at the discussions above. Obviously...the name Wells had not started being replaced by DiMera that successfully in 2007. It has not been two years since he has gone by Wells, or even almost two years. Almost a year I will give you, sure, but he was still going by it/being referred to by it at
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Yes I am, wow you know all my information but yet I don't know anything about you. Thats rather creepy.I am fine with the comment name things, AGAIN I was just pointing out the change in the credits.I get it common names, yes I got it the first time and the next 5 times you mentioned it. I wonder
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Why did you not reply down below where you were debating with me as an IP? What I have to say is down there. It is EJ DiMera, you say? Well, it is also EJ Wells...considering that fiction is always happening in the present. Meaning that when a person watches clips of EJ in his early years, he is
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too few for anything much bigger than a stub. IMHO, the plot stuff could all be removed - or at the very least, drastically pruned. When that's gone, we have to ask what "meat" is left. I suspect that at the end of that process, this article should probably be deleted - if there is so little
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Credits are independent based on location. The credits shown in Canada look nothing like what the credits in the US on NBC and those look nothing like SoapNet. The name is based on common name and the best source is the official website. Now I'm done repeating myself over this. Lastly, you
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In some more months, if EJ is still being referred to as EJ DiMera, then it may be okay to move this article to EJ DiMera or EJ Wells DiMera. But he had been known as EJ Wells for 2 years vs. now being known as EJ DiMera. Thus, I do not see how EJ DiMera is yet his common name (as in his most
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it is redundant to use the word again and again in the article. It is clear that this is not a real person and the information in the article is about fictional character. Other pages for characters do not include an over use of the word. I feel it is unnecessary to do so on this
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Can I have a link to this glorious discussion where EJ was said NOT to be a rapist. Sami said he did, Roman did, Lucas did, the man himself said he did. And I know if I pulled this in real life I would be a rapist. I just have to see the justification and fan wankery on
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show is expecting us to believe yet ANOTHER ill conceived retcon, just like John and Hope being married. But we, the editors of this article, have the right to put in what we want to, as long as we all agree on it. What does everyone think?
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actually asserting you can find no secondary sources this, unlike other characters in the series. Even without going further, have you checked the sources listed in the article you rightly like, to see if they cover this character also?
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suddenly started calling himself S-Man and was then known as S-Man for a few years with no one calling him Superman anymore, would that mean that we should move his article to S-Man? Of course not. Why? Because Superman is his common
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acceptable to blindly remove all unreferenced facts. That said, the article as a whole needs a reasonable number of references in order to demonstrate notability and to provide a basic backbone of checkability. Two references is
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Google! Not creepy. It's Google. I have learned to check a lot of people that comment/edit the EJ and Sami pages. You google. You have the same name at the EJami fan site as here. Not hard to learn about you.
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quick to lecture me, but anywho I really don't care about how you get the info, Im just pleased that obviously I was important enough for you to look me up, and be well aware of my reputation on certain boards.
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last name "Roberts" than E.J. is to the last name "Wells". "Wells" is just a stupid fake name he used as a racecar driver so no one would know he was a DiMera. It's a pseudonym. It's not even his name.--
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