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I understand that there are sources stating that he is an emo rapper, and that "Mood" is his biggest success, but it's not even emo rap - even on its own page. It seems a little weird to me that we're really making a highlight of a non-emo rap song on the genre's page, and I think the content in that
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This has also bothered me. I know that the rule is that if the information is confirmed by sources, then it is "correct" by Knowledge (XXG) standards, but this infuriates me to no end because even though an ill-informed source says an artist is a certain style, even if they are not at all, they still
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There's a lot more than those three, if we're going off of how the page is describing this style; as a fusion of emo and hip hop; then the only artists that actually fit that are X, Lil Peep and Nothing, Nowhere (there are obviously more who don't have pages, like $ uicideboy$ and Brennan Savage),
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Is there a distinction that can be made between ¨emo rap¨ as in the genre and ¨emo rap¨ as in the loose term used to describe emotional hip hop music? The artists above don´t truly make this style of music and if we come to the consensus that they DO then the genres origins have to be pushed back.
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I used to be against this, but really, this is what I heard most often. Rap isn't a genre, but it's just a suffix for other hip hop genres such as cloud rap and gangsta rap, so it's fine here too. Also, emo rap sounds a bit better.
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When there is enough information to form a full "History" section, should Lil Peep's death be included? It doesn't have to do with the genre, but he was a pioneer of the genre, and a lot of people checked out this genre afterwards.
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Oppose, they're both commonly used terms when referring to the subject matter but since wikipedia has the page for hip hop on "hip hop music" rather than "rap music" it seems more consistent to keep it this way. Besides,
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get added. Tyler, the Creator and Childish Gambino don't have any emo elements whatsoever and Drake has only influenced the style and isn't actually a part of this. I wish we could just get some more informed sources.
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actually mentions both Drake and Lil Peep as being emo rap, but says that Lil Peep's sound is a progression because of actual elements of emo rather than just sad lyrics, that might help in some way.
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Eh, I'd say Emo hip hop because although it is a little bit of a mouthful, it describes the genre well and has already been printed on a number of sources. After all, this is the emo movement of
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I think the sources are good enough to success notability and credibility. It has been majorly covered recently. I think we should remove the notability warning. Thoughts?
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but very few of the artists mentioned on this page have elements of emo past sad lyrics. It's definitely a dilemma but I'm not sure exactly how to fix it.
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also cites emo rap as meaning the same thing as those two terms. To say that two of the three terms are synonymous but disregarding the other would be
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Emo rap is supposed to be a subgenre of emo music, which itself is a subgenre of rock music, but I've seen two music videos for songs
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I've already mentioned Brennan Savage, but he doesn't currently have a Knowledge (XXG) page, so we'll have to wait until he does.
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page (previously the Soundcloud rap page, but was recently moved) to say that mumble rap and Soundcloud rap are synonyms (
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of the emo rap genre, and in neither one of them did I hear any rock sounds. (For anyone who's curious, they were
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Joe Budden – Black Cloud, Un4given Earl – Luper Mac Lethal – Therapy For Gangsters Tyler The Creator – Goblin
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It depends if his death will affect this genre as a whole similar to how Kurt Cobain's death did to Grunge.
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I'm for it. It is a more commonly used term and plenty if pages have "rap" instead of "hip hop".
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Emo rap for sure. Hip hip is a subculture, not a genre of music. Rap is the genre.--
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So are we moving forward with requiring multiple sources for the Notable artists?
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We should make "List of emo rap artists" pages. Let's make it.
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Just because something can be reliably sourced doesn't mean it
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Excuse me, Do emo hip hop and emo rap have difference?
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Yes! That's a good idea for keeping those artists out.
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