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It is obvious to most people which sense is meant with a bit of context. To be clear, if you want to make a case for removing this material, you need to cite people who are saying it's a problem or that entropy is not an important concept for a generalized understanding of energy. Can you point to
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The whole point of the “forms” of energy section is to list different forms that don’t go down to the most basic forces and energy. ATP is a lot more complex than your regular old energy stored in chemical bonds, even IF that’s what it’s entirely made up out of.
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And there's my problem. "Sources" use entropy in two totally incompatible senses. That tautology should be argued out in an
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Hi, I would like to propose an edit so it would make the concept of energy easier for people to understand. I believe this is an accurate description of energy, and it would help people understand physics better.
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Au contraire—as it pertains to site policy, we use words the way sources use them, so please keep that in mind before any further edits based on your very particular perspective on how language must be be used.
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