Talk:English Defence League

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professors receiving grants for anti-extremism research, Gov criminal study reports/commissions, or NGO-authored papers (presented to such gov commissions). While normally this would all sound like reliable sources (they themselves being objective/fairly unbiased), the UK gov has viewed EDL as an extremist group since its beginning and treated it as such, even before any of the protests where clashes w/ police or counter-protesters happened. The main idea being that UK gov or gov-funded sources should be seen as having mild-to-strong bias in regards to EDL.

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publications such as the BBC have mentioned the group’s name. It seems decentralised and more of a football hooligan micropseudo-ideology especially in its current form. I’m not trying to make any perceptions. I’m just wondering if a reform to the history section/the adding of a “resurgence” “2024: regaining of popularity” subsection would be appropriate considering the contemporary activism of T.R. as a kind of de facto leader of EDL affiliates.

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articles/papers are only one-sided (and/or strongly reference one side) to a topic (in this case the EDL, and what kind of group they are). These are professors/NGOs but NOT media outlets, so it appears this is either overlooked or gets a 'pass' as acceptable despite being in the same strain of 'bias/unreliability' as those media outlets that don't rank high.

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Alessio/Meredith: references EDLs website itself, which may not be bad itself (although If the primary source for a WP particle had been the groups own website I understand that isn't good sourcing.) They also reference Facebook/Youtube (most reputable sources wouldn't this, since these are sources).

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It appears that while the 'far right' label may be appropriate for the EDL, they don't appear strongly nationalistic; rather they appear to be a 'classic' Nativist (and Populist) group (Just like those in 1800s USA who opposed Chinese immigrants taking working class/menial jobs from Irish; or current

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All your "note" effectively was was tucking my sentence calling the EDL defunct in a footnote hardly anybody would read, rather than as part of the main lead text where people would read it (I originally placed the text at the end of the lead, but Slatersteven moved it up into the opening paragraph).

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True, "formally" doesn't need to be in there. Putting a date on it doesn't seem wise as we don't really know when do we? Maybe in hindsight something like the second suggestion is better than the first. Not sure a name that is supported by a decentralised network is in itself a decentralised network,

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I'm not convinced that a few small online groups who still use the EDL as some sort of self-identification really merit inclusion in the opening sentence. If their existence can be supported in RS then that would probably be worth mentioning in the main body of the article but I'm not sure it's even

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and does not improve the structure of the lead. It seems apparent from the sources that the EDL as an organisation is defunct. The article should make that clear. I would propose the following opening wording: "The English Defence League (EDL) was a far-right, Islamophobic organisation that operated

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Take away this small group of authors (who's papers reference papers of others in the group frequently; making their papers' sources seem 'lengthy' to improve credibility, distract from this bias), and once you look at the remaining referenced papers/articles these sources use: the bias can be quite

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GWOT era even many western governments or gov. agencies' activities would fall into 'Islamophobic'. While the viewpoint is big foundation of this group, outside of that it appears (based on their loose organization) that it isn't so 'cut and dry' as to the rest: yet the article paints them in a much

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Patriotism, while often nationalistic, is not always so. Scottish people can very patriotic (in regards to 'Scottish culture, identity, society), but it doesn't mean they are necessarily 'nationalistic' (Scotland being a non-sovereign state within the UK (which can be described as a nation/country,

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Ergo, they are not supportive of current British politics (permissive of Muslim immigration, politicians ignoring poor/working classes/youth), so they aren't nationalistic (let alone ultranationalistic). The only 'nationalism' EDL has is not taking much of a stance on topics like Brexit or Scottish

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is optional, as is said in its opening sentence. I don't care for the was/is dispute (I would prefer "was" because it's more accurate, but I don't feel strongly about it). I also didn't change "is" to "was", that was someone else. Again, what objections do you have to prominently describing the EDL

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Do you have sources to contradict the recent reporting from a wealth of RS on it's disbandment? The Liverpool Echo referenced above doesn't do this, it just confirms that EDL supporters still exist, which is what the note states. It should go without saying that previous reporting on it's existence

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The chief constable said “ Asked specifically about the presence of members of the English Defence League, she added: "Intelligence research we had, we understand there were people who identify as English Defence League attending here yesterday. I am aware that other factions would say they haven't

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Note: do we need to provide links to WP articles/sections itself for talk area like this? All the information I got was on the main EDL page, its references, or related articles (and their references, like in case of Nativism, etc.). Being new to WP's edit/policies, I wasn't going to edit anything

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Since UK gov has always been against Football 'hooliganism' (of which EDL originated), and most organized groups coming from it (such as EDL), Pilkington appears to be biased/not-objective source on EDL. So the high number of references to her work(s) appears she is a base source (for many others

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Sourcing. As EDL is strongly opposed to Britain's current handling of Muslim immigration (and to lesser extent economic conditions of the low/working class Britain), how well is the WP:Bias being handled here? Looking upon the referenced material, most are research papers from British University

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Several incorrect narratives have emerged as these shocking events have unfolded across England. Some initially misattributed the disturbances to the English Defence League (EDL) – an outfit that ceased operating years ago – but this wave of demonstrations reflects the increasingly decentralised

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WP itself describes Populism as 'cross spectrum' (IE it can be left/center/right): but that it is highlighted by a 'The People' or working-class vs. 'the elite'. As the 'elite' are strongly perceived (in context) of being higher corp execs, wealthy (I forget the British term for those who "don't

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Maybe something like "The English Defence League (EDL) is a far-right, Islamophobic decentralised network, after formally disbanding as an organisation." That's basically summarising what the note says. With the note, it should help to clarify wtf that means. I agree that saying "was" should be

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Thanks for the ping. I don't think that the proposed wording is a good idea in this particular case, as I don't think it is backed up by the reliable sources. I also think that the significant expansion of the opening paragraph of the lead has been a mistake; although fairly well worded, it is

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I know that WP has an extensive list of Media sources (and whether they're reliable sources for political matters owing to politics always being heated ); trying to understand where 'the line' is for when sources like these go from 'very reliable'/'generally reliable' to lower tiers WHEN their

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I see a few votes for "it's still (in effect) active, Maybe "The English Defence League (EDL) was a far-right, Islamophobic social movement in England. formally an organization and pressure group that employs street demonstrations as its main tactic, the EDL presented itself as a single-issue

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That being said, I'm wondering if the EDL group itself is so broad/non-specific in what it supports (or condones) that the -isms applied to it are almost polar opposites at times..Either that or 'maybe' the editors aren't fully realizing the concepts of topics like Nativism vs. Nationalism,

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Reliable sources state that the EDL is defunct. Recent news coverage earlier this month in August 2024 about some rioters being supporters of the EDL does not confirm that the organisation still exists. Some rioters might support a defunct organisation but they are not members of a current

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It was hard to get any further than the intro. The article’s intent is to persuade the reader. The sources mean nothing unless they are unbiased. Using inflammatory rhetoric is a huge red flag for this article and should be avoided if someone, like myself, wants to know more about the EDL.

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Recently the EDL and by extension Tommy Robinson (its former leader) have been relevant (there was a rally in London which it pretty much organised led by T.R., and just today a… protest thing (idk what else to call it) in Southport following a vigil for a crime committed by a migrant));;

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Copsey: This paper/article was commissioned by Faith Matters (which is either affiliated with or a parent of Tell MAMA/Community Security Trust (CST). Tell MAMA itself being identified as zionist and Islamophobic. Beyond the position of the group behind the paper, the paper has

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Let's not bury our head in the sand pretending like there aren't reliable sources stating the EDL has disbanded, in some form, as these are just two recent examples but there are plenty more. I also don't think this is a binary between "active" or "inactive" as suggested above.

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I'm struggling to find any source that gives a clear date. I think the problem is that it never officially disbanded; it just fizzled out as a result of declining members and general inactivity. Does anyone know of any high-quality RS that deal in more detail with its demise?

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Currently the link to the English Defense League's website redirects to a porn site. There is a notice next to the link that says it's a dead link, and at one time that might have been true, but currently it's not a dead link but instead it just redirects to a porn site.

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I made this comment on July 31, before information was let out about the perpetrator supposedly due to UK data laws concerning <18 Y.O. criminals. Yeah, he was born in Wales, but he was a second-generation migrant, (and he was not white) so that was what caused the

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The other angle would be something like "The English Defence League (EDL) is a banner for far-right, Islamophobic supporters, after formally disbanding as an organisation." This is similar to wording to other leaderless movements, but to me is a worse first sentence.

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I object. The organization does not exist, regardless of if people still call themselves members or if people accuse the organization of being involved in the riots. There is no such as an English Defense League in 2024. Perhaps a separate article titled

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nature of the current far right. While activists affiliated with traditional far-right organisations have been involved, most of these protests were planned organically, often by local people, who are plugged into decentralised far-right networks online.

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They further reference Hope Not Hate (Strongly opposed to EDL, and thus quite biased to them), and Copsey several times as well; moreover, Treadwell, J. who's papers appear to be published/presented for British criminology conferences, or groups.

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but is in fact a Union (much like USA, and US States). As EDL is clearly nativist, and owing to membership being mostly low/working class teens/younger adults and British Football Hooligan groups ; it would seem the nuance here may be warranted.

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is currently underway, therefore there is no good justification for reverting. Please engage is consensus building, not reverting. You otherwise need reliable sources (from August 2024) to justify such edits, otherwise the suggestion above from

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But your edits completely removed any mention of it being defunct from the lead, how exactly is this an improvement? My edits are basically the same gist as what you and Slatersteven were going for, and what reliable sources actually support.

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I think a note added to the first sentence could be useful here. There is a good article from BBC that could cover this, something along the lines of: "The EDL no longer formally exists, however its ideologies and supporters remain active".

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existed for a number of years, but based on how people were defining themselves on our intelligence picture, that is what we understand." Other sources say it has a presence on social media. The government is talking about proscribing it.

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And now seems to be back in action (well it's "SUPPORTERS"). As it never officially disbanded and (in some form) still seems to be active, we need to make it clear that it (in some form) is still active, in the first line of the lede.

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Is your reading comprehension lacking? I added references to the section and bothered to put effort into adding quotations explicitly saying that the EDL is defunct as a formal organisation that you apparently didn't bother to read.

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Also you might want to check your edit there, as I never changed the phrasing from "is" to "was" per your edit summary suggestion. Ie you probably want to revert from before me and change the wording back to past consensus.

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Pilkington: Despite being a sociology professor, she has received gov grants multiple times for and is member to, or headed several gov commissions tied to law enforcement and fighting 'extremism' in youth groups, etc.

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Treadwell, J: very much like Pilkington appears to be solely focused on combatting crime, and his papers appear to be biased towards supporting UK anti-crime commissions/operations (and the groups they are against).

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Grammar error: "elites ...whom it alleges control the country". This should be "who", not "whom": "elites WHO control the country, it alleges". You'd say "he controls", not "him controls"; thus "who" not "whom".

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Jacob Davey, director of policy and research at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue (ISD), said: “People have been naming the EDL as key figures when the EDL actually has ceased to function as a movement.”

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movement opposed to Islamism and Islamic extremism, although its rhetoric and actions target Islam and Muslims more widely. Founded in 2009, its heyday lasted until 2011, after which it entered a decline".

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While this shouldn't be read as any apologism for what is going on at the moment (and was going on 10-15 years ago with this group), no government has declared them a terrorist group and doing so would be

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Because of BRD, please understand what that means before continuing discussion. Your edits are not "basically the same" but considerably different, and the burden is on your to gain consensus for them.

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Meadowcroft and Morrow: This paper seems better, but it references other articles multiple times from Copsey, Treadwell J., Jackson,L. , thus appearing to be a more biased/unreliable source on topic.

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Maybe just "emerged" rather than " coalesced" for avoid SYNTH. I don't see any evidence of homogeneous coming together or uniting etc, which also contradicts the decentralised network structure.

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The EDL disbanded back in 2014 and has not had a following since. So where you say about U.K. riots in 2024 is untrue.The EDL name was banded about by the government and mainstream media.

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Kassimeris and Jackson L: Both are sources that have well composed articles/papers, but heavily referencing EDL's website, Copsey, Treadwell, or each other (while co-authoring some).

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in England between 2009 and the mid-to-late 2010s." Then, at an appropriate juncture at the end of the second paragraph (which offers a history of the group), we can mention,

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About what it was, yes, it was a riot, good suggestion. that is a good term considering the fact that the people there were throwing stuff at the police's riot shield wall.

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refers to the British far-right generally, organising via social-media, Telegram, etc, and it is clearly inappropriate to label this diffuse grouping (as discussed in

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While their sources appear to be decent papers, its the referencing of biased or none-reputable sources that would seem to make this a bad reference on the topic?

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Given the renewed public interest in the EDL due to the recent riots it makes sense to have text saying that it is defunct in the main body of the lede text.

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It's like saying supporters of the Nazi Party means that the party still exists, whereas it obviously doesn't. A few days later, The Indepedent then reported

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If some people describe themselves on the internet as supporters of the Nazi Party, does this mean that the Nazi Party is still active? I would argue no.

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they still exist, or that people still identify with them. Saying "was" is probably inaccurate, as for all intents and purposes, they're still active. —

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Hope not Hate also recently stated "The EDL no longer exists" in resonse to the Southport riots, which should also be taken into consideration.

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it would appear to be purely an opinion piece w/o its own sources, and considering who commissioned it, also biased/unreliable on topic of EDL?

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I dislike the last part, it read wrong. I am unsure it was ever formally disbanded, rather it just ceased operation (it seems around 2017).

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that could be used, but the four currently being used as part of the note should be more than enough here with the need for ref bombing.

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The article is locked so I can't fix it myself. So can somebody who can bypass the lock delete the link or at least make it unclickable.

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I've reverted the revert. It's clear that the early news coverage was in error and that the EDL no longer exists in any meaningful way.

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It's possible that a URL no longer references hosted content, or ends up hosting different content than intended. In this case, the

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It does look like the right archive site. As to whether it should be in the article, there is precedent. Please see my post about

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the latter usually implies more structure and organisation. At most, it remains a banner name for supporters of EDL ideologies.

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So, it would seem sections covering this could use cleanup, or editing to better reflect where EDL lands in regards to this?

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Still needs fixing. Someone rephrased it to "whom it alleged controlled Britain". But the "whom" is still wrong. Thanks.

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Why's that? I've otherwise clarified the link being an archive using the relevant template to avoid any confusion.

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Regardless this one source from police doesn't contradict at least 6 reliable secondary sources saying otherwise.

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again, like Pilkington he is referenced (or a co-author) many times, which make the article sound less neutral.

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USA groups that opposed Illegal Immigrants (again centered around competition for the same class of jobs).

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has a link located under "External Links" that was at one time was the English Defense League's website.

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We clearly need to state that people describing themselves as EDL still active, given what sources say.

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Kinda unrelated but the stabbings were not done by a migrant and the word for what they did is a riot.

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and is supported by none of the recent reliable sources discussing the EDL, which say it is defunct.

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I think we need to put up front something relevant to what the readers are reading about elsewhere.

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as defunct as a formal organization in the lead section when we have plenty of RS stating as such?

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strong to their works: especially subsequent papers (after their initial relating to the topic).

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was correct regarding tenses in his edit on 28 August 2024, but Boscaswell's edit was reverted.

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if not obvious. I'm well aware the organisation is now defunct, I added the original note ffs!

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stronger 'ultranational', quasi- neo-fascist/racist, group; which may not be very accurate.

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Well for a start, is it confirmed to be theirs? For second, why do we need an outdated site?

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as it get's, given you are aware of the current discussion, and haven't reverted yourself.

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Hooligan refers to football hooligans or 'ultras'. The EDL was founded by hooligan groups.

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I'm new to commenting, and breezed through the WP: areas; just wanted to bring this up:

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No, it was because he was (not) an illegal immigrant and a Muslim, which he was not).

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Is Feb 2017 the latest archive available, or is there a later version we could link?

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True, but this is also not new, its just that recently there has been an upsurge

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In the body we talk about it. One question, when did they officially disband?

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It has a private Facebook group created last October with over 500 members.

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avoided, similar to "is an organisation", that is also no longer accurate.

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when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

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I think what we have is not formal, but an informal continued existence

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and other sources state the organisation no longer exists. I feel that

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myself, anytime soon; just felt these points needed to be mentioned.

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They are a terrorist organisation - their actions define terrorism.

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Also we have no official source saying they disbanded. We also have

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I agree. I would support MBO's proposal to move the section down.

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Looks like I did good then, didn't even realise that doc existed.

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could be in order for this subject, in a similar vein to that of

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work, but live off their wealth/investments"), and politicians.

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The name calling is not needed. Hooligans? What does that imply?

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This is pointless justification of edit warring, have opened a

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https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/hilary.pilkington

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As there is no evidence for that or that it really disbanded.

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I am dubious about using web archive for an official website.

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worth including in the lead, let alone the opening sentence.

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So should these be viewed as 'reliable' sources on the topic?

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Wrong 'purposes'/labels? Bad Sources Referenced Too Often?

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works? Slatersteven has already reverted such edits, per

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