354:, just letting you know that I have now finished my work on a major restructuring of the entire article (whew!). The lead section is now concise and the "Criticism" section has been merged with the "History" section. The article also features a little bit of new content, along with new citations. I guess it's just difficult to avoid talking about the gender-neutral language debate too much, as the ESV has been somewhat central to it. I have also done my own comb through Google Scholar, and I couldn't find any other applicable and/or tidy scholarly sources. The article should be ready for review again. I think that the status of this page is still currently "In review", according to the GA page? Please let me know if you have any further feedback or comments, or if there is anything I can help with.
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I also think that much of “criticism” should be placed into the history section. I find “criticism” sections problematic, because really most of this is around the philosophical approach to the translation by the translators. There also seems to be an overly unbalanced take on gendered language (this
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Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft is a member of UBS. It's a little tricky this one, but I
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Crossway; it is a signal inclusion - and gives evidence - to understanding transitivity and reading of the bible. There will never be a static reception of The Bible.
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This article is well scribed, and as discretion is the better part of valour, leaving the bulk of debate on gender-neutral language to the earlier confabulation by the Greek translators is a good decision.
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I've changed the status of this nomination to "second opinion" in the hopes that a new reviewer can be found that way, since Aussie
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Quoting Grudem saying "'the best of the best' of the KJV tradition" belongs to an immediately prior citation (minus an Efn). I think that adding it again would be an unnecessary duplicate?
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Interesting list of editors there, a couple of clerks in there as well!!! VistaSunset, you have certainly done the hard yards.
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