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blacks tended to harass and hurt me. East Palo Alto DID have a Lucky's
Grocery Store and an early strip mall that was based around it. The local St. Vincent De Paul Thrift Store was in that mall and I got quite a few used toys from that Thrift store. When the Watts Riot happened, the black people burned down the Lucky's store in sympathy and a show of solidarity. If anyone had done a better job of researching the EPA history, it would support my eyewitness accounts of what really went on there. It is truly ironic that that Tesla Engineer's plane came down on the exact location of where our house was located. And I take the same medication and have dizzy spells which would explain why that plane went down. Airplanes were often taking off from the PA Airport and I watched them from that dike.
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that EPA is part of the city of Palo Alto. You don't seem to be able to compromise well (you seem to be one who thinks being "right" is more important than have a factual article that is the best it can be); my change was more factual and less reliant on anecdotal evidence. I will sit with this for a while, and await your response on where in that PDF document I can find any proof of your assertion. I also don't know why you put the footnotes at the end of that sentence, when there's nothing in the article that corresponds to the second clause in the sentence.
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what the editor who inserted that language was trying to say, but Palo Alto is still much much richer, much much whiter, much much less hispanic, less tongan, and less black, less educated, and need I go on. No I do not have a reference for this but this is apparent to any one who is conversant with the area. Average home price in Palo Alto is five million dollars.
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Woodside? There were folks there then (probably still are now) with small urban farms, complete with animals and garden plots. So yes, there was a lot of "diversity" and the good things it brings with it on display, even while the thugs were shooting at each other. +
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I haven't completely gone through the article yet but I removed a statement from the overview that said that "until recently" the demographics of Palo Alto and East Palo Alto were very different. Excuse me, but they are still very different. Possibly East Palo Alto is gentrifying, which may have been
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Well, taking your edit comment as commentary (the fact that you lived in the area for some time), you must know that people in Menlo Park and Palo Alto do know that EPA is a separate city; that's because they're close by. It's a very common mistake among those who aren't in the vicinity to think that
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Then you would suppose wrong. I lived there around that same time, during the infamous "murder year" (1992) and thereabouts when all the bullets were flying. While the city was virtually like a war zone then, at the same time there were amazing things to be seen. Ever taken a walk around the Weeks
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Where in that 192-page PDF document does it state that people "widely assume" that EPA is part of the city of Palo Alto? Your readers need guidance. The least you could do is put a page number on the reference. I also don't see any proof in your first reference that people "still widely assume"
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I'm not inclined to be charitable in this case, as you've behaved mostly as an ass; however, on principle I'll apologize for the inclusion of a rather large PDF that one has to wade through to get the relevant citation. Hopefully the page # will help people locate it.
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It's not west of PA; it's actually north and east of Palo Alto proper, but in the scheme of things on the
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which gave the black population then as 42.9%. So I added that reference, changed "almost half" to 43%, and removed the "dubious" note (since a decline from 43% to 15% in the 20 years from 1990 to 2010 is indeed a "declining black population").
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