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year". I could not find that claimed in the papers. Figure C in Bevins and Banerjee (2022) showed "The gap between productivity and a typical worker’s compensation has increased dramatically since 1979", noting that 1979-2020 productivity was up 61.8 percent but compensation increased only 17.5 percent, a difference of 34.3 percentage points. That does NOT have any implications I can see relating to overall economic growth. The summary of Bevins and Banerjee includes, "By 2018, the rise in income inequality since 1979 was reducing growth in aggregate demand by about 1.5% of GDP." I'm not sure what that means. I think this article could use a concise summary of those papers, but not this. Sadly, I don't have time and maybe not the competence to summarize those papers adequately. I post here the references in case someone else wants to review them:

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per capita doubled between 1970 and 2010. Conclusion: You had to be in the top one half of one percent of the income distribution to get what might naively be called your fair share of the benefits of productivity improvements -- unless you believe that productivity improvements are driven by the actions of the ultra-wealthy, a claim that seems to be contradicted by a substantial body of economics research that I've seen.

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better than the IMF numbers currently being used. If you present a persuasive argument, someone like me will change it. If I change it, I might want to cite both the BEA and IMF numbers and references in the footnote companion to the number, with a brief comment about why we think the BEA numbers are better.

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However, I'd be surprised if "Real wages for most workers in the United States and median incomes have either declined or remained stagnant for the last twenty to forty years", given that plot of income. That plot combined US census data for the income quantiles from the Census Bureau with data from

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It is often possible to say almost anything in a more clear, concise and compelling way. This is Knowledge (XXG), and anyone who has not been blocked for malicious editing can change anything in articles that are not protected, e.g., for a history of vandalism. You might, for example, try to reword

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The formatting of everything starting with "Historical statistics" has problems in at least some cases. In particular, the "References" with Firefox and Google Chrome on a Mac often display as one character per line, because of formatting problems with the figures -- at least as of 2017-12-22. This

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If you feel that the $ 20.1 trillion is "obviously wrong", you need to provide a credible source. You can provide that here. I suggest you start by documenting here a link to the Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) web page containing such figures, accompanied by an explanation of why you think it's

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US GDP of $ 20.1 trillion is so obviously wrong and outdated for the year 2022. The figure from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, which publishes GDP numbers every quarter, has the figure at $ 24.88 trillion for Q2 2022. For figures such as GDP, labor, or population statistics it is best to cite from

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notes the last discussion on RS/N found no consensus on the reliability of Business Insider (though few participants endorsed it as generally reliable). Note that Price, an author on the working paper, did not use any "taken" language, in his remarks to BI. The Time source may appear at first glance

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just added: I think it should probably be removed from Wikimedia Commons as a copyright violation, because it is a copy of part of the art from their Figure E. From my perspective, changes in US copyright law since around 1970 were made to benefit the major media at the expense of the public. Art

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It seems to me that the sources are important and should be mentioned. However, the verbiage given seemed to me to misrepresent the sources. In particular, the change claimed, "Since the late 1970s, income inequality in the United States has ... constrained economic growth by up to 3.4% of GDP per

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If you are interested or know someone who might like to collaborate on pushing some version of that to publication someplace, I'd be happy to collaborate on such a project, assuming we could agree on the contents. I have a good record of joint publications from previous successful collaborations;

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Second, there is the issue of the actual sources cited in the article - Time and Business Insider. Assessing these sources is critical, since the description of a "taking" is entirely in these sources, and not the research itself. Aquillion describes these sources as "high-quality," but this is not

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Like many such institutions, its past and associate persons from the last century do not make its self-published papers RS today. We use peer-reviewed sources in Economics for such content. OECD publishes many working papers, some of them end up being publshed in RS, some are much less significant.

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I have another concern about that plot: The average annual income (Gross Domestic Product, GDP, per capita) roughly doubled between 1979 and 2018 -- i.e., increased close to 100 percent. It's not obvious to me if this drag of 1.4 percent is statistically significant. Even if it is, its impact is

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That Census table shows that the bottom 20th percentile of the distribution of household incomes has been pretty close to stagnant since 1970. That suggests that many people in that bottom quintile would have fallen behind during that period. Even the 99th percentile increased only 73% while GDP

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As to the Bergsten book, it's a great and thorough read. I'd recommend it highly. Recall that Bergsten is as qualified an economist as they come, and was both Economic Deputy to Kissinger at the National Security Counsel and Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs. I'll grant

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It's fair to say that the ultra-wealthy have taken the vast majority of the increases in productivity since 1970. There may be other figures, e.g., counting increases in taxes on the poor and middle class and / or decline in social services and other effects, that support your claim. However, if

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I have not seen that book, but the author is either looking at different figures from what I've seen or his claim that "real wages ... have either declined or remained stagnant" is inadequately nuanced, in my judgment. The data I've seen are summarized in the accompanying plot and the description

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Specifically, you can copyright expression but not ideas nor data. If you get the data plotted in that figure and plot those numbers yourself producing art that is clearly different but communicates essentially the same message, you would own the copyright to the image you produced, and you could

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The gini coefficient reported is a befote-taxes figure. One would think it more representative to account for the taxes and transfer payments resultant from them to assess income inequality as it exists in reality. The OECD reports this figure and a 2014 number is available. Would any of you favor

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In the United States, the national income per inhabitant rose at a rate of 1.8 percent per annum between 1870 and 1910 without an income tax, and then at 2.1 percent between 1910 and 1950 after its introduction, and at a rate of 2.2 percent between 1950 and 1990, when the top tax rate reached, on

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never describes the growth differential as a "taking." It is solely a investigation into a counterfactual where 1950s/60s trends continued into the following half century. There is no point, explicitly or implicitly, where the underlying research (n.b. a working paper) states or implies that some

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I've had better luck with joint publications than as a single author. Moreover, getting something on this published in a refereed academic journal is not on the critical path for something else I'm doing, so I'm not eager to take the lead on this but might be willing to work with someone else.

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Is there any way to interpret what you've done other than vandalism? I plan to report your actions to an administrator, who I hope will bock you from further editing. We need honest editors trying to improve the quality of information available to the public. We do NOT need vandals and trolls

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prescriptions. Moreover, the reliability and the pertinence of this link can be supported by the following facts 1) ITC is part of the United Nations, and aims to share trade and market access data on by country and product as a global public good 2) No registration is required to access this

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According to this Freakonomics report, the President has next to nothing to do with the economy, and it would seem apropos to use this reference somewhere. Since it is often a contentious debate in politics that somehow any President is responsible for the failure or success of the economy.

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Thanks for reverting my erroneous change. I've fixed the error: The 1.6 and 1.0% are NOT in the earlier report that was cited, and citing Twitter feels a little spooky to me: Better to cite the complete report, as I tried to do and failed. I hope you concur with this latest change.

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On 2021-04-19T08:33:45, you made 4 edits changing numbers on this page that look like blatant vandalism to me. Please explain: You require other editors to do extra work, confirming that the changes you made did NOT match the references and the numbers there previously did.

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is correct: the source is speaking in terms of "real wages" which your graph does not rebut. (Even then, if there is disagreement between different reliable sources, the approach would be to include information from the alternative interpretations in proportion to their due

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then legally upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If you or I got the numbers and plotted them, it would be our "expression", which means that we would own the copyright and could upload it to Wikimedia Commons. If you want to tell me how to get the numbers, I can plot them.

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Piketty and Saez for the top quantiles. Ignore the top quantiles, because they are not relevant to this discussion, except to explain how real wage growth would have doubtless been limited, with the ultra-wealthy taking most of the benefits of productivity growth.

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I see a single word referring to slavery, but the production due to slave labor was a key engine of American economic growth in the 18th and 19th centuries. Perhaps an editor with facility as to sources and mainstream narratives can start introducing more balanced

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In conclusion, the underlying research does not support this phrasing, it is solely used for rhetorical effect in sources inadequate to drive the phrasing on en.Knowledge (XXG). I have removed the sentence from the article, but welcome further discussion.

265:) that leads directly to our online database of customs tariffs applied by United States. Visitors can easily look up market access information for US by selecting the product and partner of their interest. I would like you to consider this link under the 2698:

I was not trying to put you down: I was dealing with an anonymous editor, who insisted on making changes that contradicted with the source that was cited. I'm NOT going to spend my time looking for other sources that may not be easy to

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However, please understand that someone else might revert your change, because this current article on "Economy of the United States" is already quite large, and it seems relatively easy to find that information from this article,

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you that the title is a bit "airport book" style sensational, but book titles are generally under publisher control. Bergsten does not have an in-line citation for that proposition, but as I've said I'll include other sources.

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Hello everyone, I am working for the International Trade Centre (ITC), a UN/WTO agency that aims to promote sustainable economic development through trade promotion. I would like to propose the addition of an external link

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As of 2018-03-27 this article includes a plot of US GDP per capita from 1929 to 2011. The documentation for that plot on Wikimedia Commons does not cite a source and does not say if the GDP numbers are real or nominal.

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like that, even when excerpted like that, is copyrighted by the original authors or publishers, even if they do not say so in the publication. The people managing Wikimedia Commons are justifiably paranoid about that.

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holders of the US debt (domestic and foreign US debt)? e.g. "pension fund investment houses" (on behalf of their pensioners - the financial beneficiaries); banks/insurance companies and private individuals (e.g.

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Thanks for your efforts to try to improve public access to the sum of all human knowledge. I hope you'll forgive me for reverting this particular addition pending further clarification and documentation.

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I appreciate your work to improve Knowledge (XXG). Sadly, I feel compelled to revert your changes of 2021-04-21T05:01:17 primarily because I can NOT find the numbers you quote in the link you provide:

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I also propose including, "In the United States between 2001 and 2014, higher income was associated with greater longevity, and differences in life expectancy across income groups increased over time."

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to be a better bet, but note that this is part of the "Ideas" section at Time, which is their opinion vertical, and is explicitly disclaimed, at both RS/P for Time specifically, and more generally at

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average, 72 percent. The top rate was then cut in half, with the announced objective of boosting growth. But in fact, growth fell by half, reaching 1.1 percent per annum between 1990 and 2020.

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I question the claim of your source that, "Real wages for most workers in the United States and median incomes have either declined or remained stagnant for the last twenty to forty years."

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lists the US and third, after China and the European Union. The "European Union" is not a country, but it is arguably an "economy", matching the text. I will change it to match the link.

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The first and third are poor sources -- self-published. The second does not really support the article text. Certainly a graph showing coincidence does not support claims about causality.

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The US forecast growth for 2022 and onwards rate need to be revised. The new IMF projections will forecast US annual GDP growth for 2022 is 2.5% as opposed to 3.7% for the old version.

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However, when I followed the second link you provided, I got GDP not GDP per capita. And I don't have 2021 population estimates, so I can't convert $ 22.68 trillion to GDP per capita.

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As of 2017-12-22 the second sentence of this article ends by saying that the US is the world's "second largest by purchasing power parity (PPP)." However, the link to the article on

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Source self-contradicts on percent growth. Reports 1.9% growth, which is correct given other sources, and a growth rate of 1.6%, which is unreported by sources such as BEA. Reference:

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value was previously in possession by one group and taken by another. The question is in the difference in income growth rates - almost all groups grew, the question is by how much.

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I don't see how you can possibly say the cited material doesn't support the text when the 3.4% figure is explicitly attributed to the EPI and not in Knowledge (XXG)'s voice.

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This gave me $ 60,436. As far as I can see, these two numbers, $ 60,436 and $ 76,027 seem to represent the same thing coming from the same source but are very different.

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The underlying paper is a self-published working paper at RAND and is not a valid source for article content on this topic, even with attribution. I agree with the removal.

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Many in the political and media spectrum also once hyped Japan would take over the world's economy for this century, so there is no reason to not suspect the same for China.

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The EU is considered a single economy for many purposes, though its member states each have their own foreign policies unlike the individual states in the US.</ref: -->

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Thanks for all you do to try to improve Knowledge (XXG) and through that to help people all over the world better understand the challenges and opportunities they face.

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on 2022-06-11T12:00:19 Dan Ratan made an interesting addition, which SPECIFICO reverted at 2022-06-11T12:32:03, saying, "This content is WP:UNDUE and poorly-sourced".

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The stagnation of American real wages over the last forty years is non-controversial, and when I revert, I'll include additional sources for your further edification.

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But even if I can't find the exact source, it's clear that a reasonable basis exists for your numbers. If no one else complains, I plan to worry about other things.

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May I encourage you to create a Wikimedia account, if you do not already have one. You may know that many Wikimedians edit under assumed names. As noted with

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thank you for that detailed discussion. The sentence I inserted is a relatively close paraphrase of the first three sentences of the Conclusion section of

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so other citations to that reference were wrong? I looked at another use of that reference, and could not find it in the source you cited. I fixed that.

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http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/research/files/articles/2013/03/overstating%20inequality%20costs%20winship/overstating%20inequality%20costs%20winship.pdf

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The difference is that the $ 60,436 is chained to 2017 dollars. So basically it doesn't account for any of the inflation between 2017 and 2022.

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that's the case, I would want to see a citation to something more specific than a citation to p. 303 in a more general book with a title like,

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I don't think we can use the graph you cited, can we? And it's inappropriate to try and use it to "rebut" a secondary source. It looks like

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I have not looked carefully at the numbers since 2010, but I'd be surprised if they were dramatically different from the previous 40 years.

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Where do you get "$ 25.350 trillion (nominal; 2022)"? When I look at the source cited, I get 20,148.775 billion = $ 20.1 trillion. ???

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https://web.archive.org/web/20100711052533/http://econpost.com/unitedstateseconomy/four-million-more-people-working-part-time-2-years-ago

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This page seems written by the US government. How much of nominal GDP is on account of the top 10% and how much due to the bottom 50%?

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If you have a specific concern about content displayed in this article, please describe the passage involved and your concern. This is

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Does Bergsten (p. 303) cite other sources for that claim? If yes, what are they? If no, I'm skeptical. Thanks for your questions.

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Thanks. Just don't say something that would seem to contradict US Census Table F-1 without a credible explanation and citation ;-)

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I know I've been a little bit of a pain to deal with, but Knowledge (XXG)'s reputation for quality depends on this. Have you seen

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I think his case is weakened by lumping everything between 1910 and 1950 together, but I've checked his analysis using data from

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sources that track this data in real time i.e. on a quarterly basis in order to have authoritative and verifiable information.

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David, I'll reply to your other concerns later, today I hope, but the copyright issue is addressed at the pages linked from

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Thanks. I found the GDP numbers in the link you provided for that -- except it rounds to $ 22.68 trillion, not $ 22.67.

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http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/sovereigns/ratings-list/en/eu?sectorName=null&subSectorCode=39&filter=U

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How much the upward redistribution of income lowered US economy-wide household spending, as a share of GDP, 1980-2020

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Help me understand the previous number, $ 60,436, which I got by going to that website without your addition:

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Nominal GDP is listed as 183 billion USD, figures for GDP per capita is also wrong and PPP is not even listed

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An essential data is missing in this article: namely the list of US foreign debt holders (by country) (e.g.

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Starting the series in 1790 makes it much clearer how exceptional the presidencies of Hoover and FDR were.

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on the offer to take the discussion to talk. I support the removal of the sentence, for a few reasons.

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Wonderful. Can you please provide a complete citation so others can check it for themselves? Thanks,

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The US GDP of $ 20.1 may be "obviously wrong" to you, but it's consistent with the reference cited:

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EPI is an advocacy group (think-tank) and unless their study is cited by an Independent Source

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Please be so kind as to check the "Talk" page of an article before reverting a good faith edit.

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economy by PPP. However, the US is currently listed third in the Knowledge (XXG) article on "

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Secondly, you wrote the number as "$ 24,88 trillion", NOT "$ 24.88 trillion". I fixed that.

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The pattern is even clearer if I also use real (adjusted for inflation) rather than nominal.

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What have I missed or misunderstood here? How might I have handled this more gracefully?

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China's National Bureau of Statistics previously refuted allegations about its PPP in 2015.

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information 3) Market access data (Tariffs and non-tariff measures) are regularly updated

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Instead of a putdown, you could have found a nice RS to update the number in the article.

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If you wish to challenge this point, I suggest you start by documenting your concern in

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Thanks. I've fixed some of the vandalism. I should have seen it before but missed it.

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incl. refining industry are missing as an economic factor during mid-1850s-today, e.g.

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When I did what seemed to be the obvious things to get that number, it took me to:

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left the European Union. Should the United Kingdom be its own icon in the infobox? --

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source. I also had intended to include this graph from their Figure E, but forgot.

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The number of Americans in poverty and poverty rate: 1959 to 2011. United States.

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What about total annual payroll, 2019 ($ 1,000) 7,428,553,593; per-capita ? ...

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That plot represents quantiles of family income. I do NOT suggest we use that.

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Finally, what is the total net private debt of all US citizens? *WHO* are the

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The pattern is much clearer if I plot the per capita numbers than the total.

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Most importantly, am I correct that you changed <ref name="GDP IMF": -->

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using it? The figure is close to .39, being slightly above that.

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The inflation rate is now 8.5%. The charts need to reflect that.

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