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Heather Locklear Mestizos even though they have European and Indian ancestry, regardless of the percentage of their Indian ancestry they can get away with being labeled White due to their light colored eyes and hair. Now, can a Mexican "Mestizo" go around claiming that they're European (part of that 10% figure) because their hair and eyes resemble that of people from Europe? There lies the problem with racial classification.--
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father was 1/2 Hungarian. I also read one interview that states his father as being 1/4 Hungarian, but that was not an actual quote of Olmos'. Regardless, Edward James Olmos should not be considered as an ethnic
Hungarian from Mexico but as a Mexican-American of partial Hungarian descent...at least that's my opinion.
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Info for SeanB: very many (most?) countries allow dual citizenship. For example I have both
Hungarian and Canadian. You are probably correct about the US as a point of law. In fact the law also says that if a US citizen acquires other citizenship then he/she looses their US citizenship. The latter is
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Based on Edward's own account, it sounds like he has very little information about his Father's side. He didn't clarify how many generations of family lived in Spain after emigrating from
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What you've read about Mexico's ethnic percentages comes from a conjectured report by the CIA "Factbook" which in itself cannot cite it's own source (making it just as dubious as a
Knowledge "fact link" I suppose). I might also add that the definition of Mestizo is different based on who you ask and
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Hungarian. I recall reading a few interviews and speeches where he discusses his feelings about being partially Jewish. I'm not sure why someone keeps removing this fact from the Knowledge article unless the real ethnically diverse nature of the
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I personally know quite a few people who have dual citizenship, both US and other nationality. The US accepts that, as do many other nations, even Saudi Arabia. As for Mexico's citizenship requirements, there MUST be SOME form of immigration process or nobody could immigrate there, which obviously
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A regular photo would be good to have, but in the meantime, at least the current photo is of his current role... And while the photo shows him in a BSG uniform, it's not as if there's anything too sc-fi about it. It looks more or less like it could be an ordinary modern uniform. If you can find a
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Mexican-Americans that I know (I live in California) that have extensive knowledge of their family roots in Mexico also have knowledge of their ethnic background. There are local Mexican-Americans of partial Spanish, German or Irish descent, but it is rare for European to be the primary or
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I can't speak for the person that wrote about the lowriders or understand why that person thinks there is a conspiracy involved...but I can say that I disagree that Olmos is 1/16th
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Sure. According to the Mexican Constitution, only those born in Mexico can be citizens. Their laws recognize citizenship and nationality. With citizenship you can be in the military, run for public office, and vote. People with Mexican Nationality cannot do any of those. Only way a natural born
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I have reverted a changed regarding his nationality. The editor of this changes suggested that "just because he now has Mexican citizenship as well as US doesn't make him Mexican." Could someone explain the logic behind this statement? If he has taken Mexican citizen ship then he is Mexican.
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And, once again, someone removes the comment about Olmos' ethnic background in the Knowledge article. Someone needs to remember that Mexico is not only about the Aztecs and Mayans. But I guess that a depiction of a Hungarian hussar would seem out of place amongst all the Aztec images on the
74:"# In any role, he will never look someone in the eye unless his character respects them." This was mentioned in the directors commentary for the extended episode of "Pegasus", in the Battlestar Galactica sason 2.5 dvd set. Olmos appeared in "Aloha Bobby and Rose." 1975 Richard Soto-San Anto
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CsalĂĄdom MagyarorszĂĄgrĂłl vĂĄndorolt ki SpanyolorszĂĄgba, onnan MexikĂłba, vĂ©gĂŒl az EgyesĂŒlt Ăllamokba, Ă©n mĂĄr ott szĂŒlettem. Mindig ki kell javĂtanom az embereket, hogy a nevem nem "Olmosz", hanem "Olmos".
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My family emigrated from Hungary to Spain, from there to Mexico, finally to the United States, I was already born there. I always have to correct people that my name is not "Olmos", but "Olmosh".
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I am changing the "citizenship" word. Someone born outside of Mexico can never be a citizen of Mexico, only receive nationality. The quoted/linked article also says he received nationality.
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This article could quickly be a B-Class. Needs Filmography section that outlines all acting roles. The intro is too long - create section(s). Intro should be a summary of the article.
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It is clear in the Hungarian that he is talking about the pronunciation, not the spelling. In Hungarian 's' is pronounced as sh in English and the English s is represented as 'sz'.
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predominant ethnic background, though. The population of Mexico, I've read, is 10% European, 60-70% Mestizo (European and Indian) and 20-30% Indian. That sounds about right.
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I have heard the same thing. Hungarians view this as a throw-back to the nation's one-time status as home base for Atilla the Hun. Long live Hungarian-Mexicans!
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Was he really in Pumping Iron as himself? He had barely started acting when the mockumentary was made. I'm going to have to watch it again now to check this.
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I didn't notice any mention of his very significant role in "Triumph of the Spirit"... and much admiration and praise for his triumph, "Stand and Deliver."
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