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Braibant specifically names the documents in which the information was found. Yes, Braibant could be incorrect in her reading, but if we can't trust Braibant to read historical documents accurately, this article has much bigger problems than just a
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Braibant and Knizhnik-Vetrov have (though I am getting K-V
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anything more, but I think pulling it all together like this makes it easier to read as "aha, another thing named after her, and this one is a group of feminists" than "wait, what's important about this
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