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1292:(even found a flag that was done by the women's section of the international.). So even if we know that Elisabeth in 1868 from Braibant's book was then in 1868 learning and discrete, we know she opposed Bakounine frontly at one point and came to Geneva just when the strikes were going on. We also know she was sent to London to represent the situation of the International in 1870 to Marx. We cannot draw conclusions but I think these elements and historical facts have to be mentionned to understand how she became what she was in the Commune. She inherited from her husband when he died later after the Commune (there was a big age difference). It was a marriage she arranged so that she could travel freely, all the sources agree on that. 1119:
Lissaragy, the possible reason of André Léo's silence about Elisabeth and the fact she did not join the Union des femmes, the rivality with the other women, the idealisation by the russian biographers of the communist era). One thing is sure : until recently all sources say Louise Michelle was at the center of the focus as a woman in the Commune de Paris, and historians are now trying to pull out the other profiles into the light. Dmitrieff might have been ignored in France as Frankel because they were not French. I dont know how to share the book given the electronic format, but I could probably send the chapter in a print screen version provided the person understands French and I have an email adress.
530:"She was in Geneva when the construction workers' strike broke out..." -- if this part is particularly important, this strike should be explained or wikilinked. As it stands I think it would make more sense to get rid of this entire line (starting with "In Spring...") and instead add a sentence at the end of the section above that accounts for what happened between her marriage and her solo return to Geneva, even if it's just basically "she travelled Europe" or something. Speaking of which, what happened to the husband? Should probably mention that at least briefly. 2518:
Commune article for the full details). The emphasis on the textile industry sometimes leads me to overlook that all of this is happening in a violent or contentious context; it sounds at times like perfectly ordinary labour organizing. I think two additional edits would be enough to fully frame this section in a way that will prompt readers to go to the Paris Commune article when needed. First, be more explicit/specific with the sentence
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that they are accurate and useful? This is a bit of an extreme example, but it's seven footnotes that should probably only be two, and the actual source they're ultimately all from isn't being cited here at all - that's enough of a failed spot-check that I'd rather wait for you to have a look at the rest of the article's footnotes before I check any more.
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november 1868. In spring 1868 when she came to Geneva there were strikes and social movements described in part 2 supbpart called "Dissonance" in Braibant's book. What is said is that she came during these events and she joined Outine's inner circle (which positionned itself against Bakounine, the first struggle being around nd Norodnoe Delo).
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Dmitriefff hold their meetings here. It was renamed "Eglise du sacré coeur" even before the French Thiers government decided to build the Sacré Coeur in Montmartre, so I think it has an informative and historical value. I am looking at your comments as I will of course update the French article if I see any mistakes and inaccuracies.
3226:. Obviously, she can't have taken it, so that's still an unknown. What is the death-of-creator date that makes something automatically public domain? There's no way anyone who took a photograph in 1865 is alive today, but I'm not exactly clear on how long ago they need to have died for it to count as public domain. I think 257:"In the 1860s, this quarter housed privileged revolutionary youth..." -- half of the people listed here can hardly be called "youth" in the 1860s. I would fix this one myself if I thought "revolutionaries" would do it, but there's probably a better and more accurate solution, so I leave this one to you. 3044:
an adult in 1900 (though only 22yo), but the page also says that this image is taken from his 1965 obituary, which would be under copyright. The image itself looks much more like a 1960s image than a 1900s one, or really like a 2000s drawing based on a 1900s photograph. I... think... this image needs
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These three specific issues are now addressed. More broadly, as someone who knows frankly almost nothing about the Paris Commune, I think the article gives a lot of clues as to what it is, but it might be helpful to state it outright (to make it clearer that it is necessary to click over to the Paris
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she remained married and travelled to Europe with her new husband after their marriage then came back alone in Geneva. This is described at the end of part one in Braibant's book, chapter 3 called "Ruptures". They travelles across Europe and reached Geneva in spring 1868. She came back alone again in
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The only thing I could not do for this article is to get hold of the russian litterature on the subject : apparently there has been quite a lot published (from Ivan Knijnik-Vetrov, Nata Efremova, and Lev Kokin) , but unfortunately my russian is not good enoough. So if someone is able to grab hold of
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and is in the public domain as Elizabeth is dead since more than 70 years. The reason for the 3 photos of the "Tenple Unique" in Geneva, is to show that the building is still standing in the 2020s although close to nobody remembers it was a massonic temple, and no one in Geneva remembers the AIT and
563:: it's not a good sign that this section on three biographers doesn't cite a single one of them, just Braibant. That explains this strange framing about the chair, though: the chair is Braibant's framing device and doesn't really belong here. This section should be reworked and probably slimmed down. 339:
citations on this sentence, but they're all basically the same citation - Eichner. But none of them are of Eichner's 2004 book (it's originally in English, not French). The preceding paragraph has the same problem, but not as badly. Can you have another look at the citations on this article to ensure
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Hi, I think I gave elements of response above concerning the photo (IMO it is relevant to have it as it documents the building still exists). As I wrote beffore, I have the books in electronic format (ibooks) and it does not allow a share. What I could do is send a capture of a relevant passage, but
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work, and none of these files assert anything whatsoever about their original publication date. The Barteneva one looks like a scan from a book, so it might be fine or might not - but the book isn't mentioned. Lissagaray and Musorgsky are probably fine, but we don't know. The Musorgsky one says "M.
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to state the obvious like "soldiers of the National Guard seized control of the city" and "for two months, the communards worked to establish an independent revolutionary government." And second, per the note I make below, spell out as suggested that it is the French National Army retaking the city
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Birth year: I see there are four sources for the birth year 1850 and only one for 1851. Is this an ambiguity that can be resolved by weighing the merit of the sources? As a tertiary source, encyclopedia.com strikes me as less reliable than secondary sources which have examined Dmitrieff's biography
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Can you help me with the comment about the construction workers' strike? I don't actually know why it's important, or what happened between her marriage and her solo trip to Geneva, or what happened to her husband. I deleted the Family Keepsakes section, and after looking at the sources, I tend to
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Dmitrieff by police reports, newspaper at the time of the commune and her counterparts. I own the book in electronic form and it is written in French. It probably is more complete than any other source (even Eichner) and it goes into detail about what people wrote and said about her (Benoit Malon,
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Hello Nattes à chat! I'm so glad that you're here. I was the translator of the French article, as well as the GA nominator. Could you help me address concern 2a above, about the citations in the article? I don't actually know which sources contain what information because I just translated the
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Hello ! I am glad to see that my work onn the French version has been used here to update the article. I have received a question on commons and am searching for the place where I photographed Elizabeth's letter. It was also tweeted by Michele Audin who is a French expert on the Paris Commune here
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In the education section: rather than editorializing (twice!) that Dmitrieff recieved a "good education" (hard to say what that would mean!), I suggest removing those clauses and keeping the section focused on the (quite useful) specifics, e.g., she read these books, had those tutors, but did not
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In general I find the section headings are not always a useful summary of the content, or break events up at odd places. "Interest in social inequalities and Marxism," for example, seems like it could go in "Childhood" and in fact contains a lot of information about her father? And "Influence of
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Actually, that's a pretty quick fix and one we mostly agree on, so I just went ahead and did it. Feel free to rename the headings if you don't like my choices. What's left to do is the more labour-intensive bit: ensuring that all of the text is in the right place and there aren't related pieces
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3a: I changed "Political Engagement" to "Political Activities". To emphasize the Paris Commune portion, we could give it its own section and rename everything before it to "Pre-Commune political activism". That way, the sections will be centered around the Paris Commune: pre-commune activism,
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second paragraph in t«Historian Carolyn Eichner rightly writes: "Louise Michel was for a long time the only woman deemed worthy of appearing in the gallery of communards. But rather than evoke her involvement in all the activities of the revolution - from the development of a compulsory secular
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translation «One of the challenges for Carolyn Eichner is to reassess the political role of these activists, whom she considers to be marginalized, not only in the historiography of the Commune, but also in the historiography of feminism» This article quotes Carolyn Eichner's words in
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looks like the next one to fill in. I can't read the Russian biographies either, unfortunately. Too bad about the Jacks of Hearts. Would be fun to have an article on them, but if it's mostly dubious, I guess we're stuck there. If I notice anything while checking those refs I'll let you
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In lead: I find the two husbands confusing in the lead. I don't think the name of the first husband is necessary here, since he doesn't have his own article, but could a brief clause somewhere orient the reader to some kind of explanation for where he went before the second husband
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London: the chronology is a bit jarring, as this section starts with Dmitrieff going to London and then backtracks-- might be clearer to open with something along the lines of, "in 1870 conflicts arose which would result in Dmitrieff going to London."
2181:-- I'm not sure what "passed by" means..? And now I am noticing how confusing it is that she decided to go to Geneva, but then actually goes to Switzerland and London. (Also confusing that there is a structural break in the middle of her 1868 travels.) 238:"In 1862, Mussorgsky went to Volok..." whose depression? His? Also, it's not clear how this statement is relevant to Dmitrieff. Well she met him because he travelled to Volok and even taught her music as he was engaged as a tutor for the children 2930:. Kidding. Looking at this again, I think it's disconnected trivia in this state, but would be an interesting mention if further expanded. I'm not inclined to do that myself right now, so I'll move it and the sources to the talk page for now. -- 2755:
Marriage to Ivan Davydovski: it is confusing that Dmitrieff refers to (I think?) Ivan Davydovski as her husband before we are told that she has married him, especially since the quote comes from the trial and she didn't marry him until after the
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Hello all, I see a lot of excellent work is taking place to improve this article. I thought I may as well start my review now, so any concerns I find can be addressed while the article is still being polished. I will update the list below as I
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Centre I am still looking for historical clues in Geneva : Dmitrieff lived at Nicolas Outine's place but I have not found wheer in Geneva yet, and am planning a trip to Lausanne to the CIRA (Centre International de Recherche sur l'Anarchisme)
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The two images for The International feel a bit cluttered; I think it would be best just to have the interior drawing of the meeting (as it is more directly related). You could consider setting the width to 1.5x to make the details easier to
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images for the Temple Unique, which is a single paragraph with only a few short sentences. I can see an argument for keeping the inside view and one outside view, but not for all three - my suggestion would be to ditch the modern photograph.
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is taking over the pass/fail of the review, so don't worry about sharing it, that's ok. For the image, we could swap in a modern photograph for the old exterior drawing. Does the building have an article on the French-language Knowledge? --
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subsection. These headings need to be reworked a bit to emphasize what's most important. The "Political engagement" top-level heading cuts awkwardly too, because there is so much material about her political leanings and education in "Early
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Is there any way you could send me the book? I also clarified why Mussorgsky coming to Volok is relevant. I put the police report description of her appearance in a more appropriate place. Finally, I changed "revolutionary youth" to
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It's up to the reviewer to decide, but personally I would remove the Barteneva image as well because it could still be copyrighted in the US and there is no US license tag or justification why it would not be copyrighted in the US.
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Problem: this means the images of Barteneva, Lissagaray, and Musorgsky are either mislabelled or not in fact PD images. All of them are listed as public domain based on "author's life plus x years". But that only applies to
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I am so glad that it was translated ! I got a little tired of the subject after working months on it to translate it in English so I am so thankful to see it has been done ! PLease feel free to ask your questions :)
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I think that image is so heavily photoshopped that it has become a 21st-century creation. Which is probably even worse. The original uploader has left the project, so we're not going to get answers there. I'll pull
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Ok, this is "out of my comfort zone" -- I usually work with things that were printed (i.e., umambiguously "published") in the 18thC (i.e., umambiguously a gazillion years ago) so I'll tap in some expert advice.
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Nikolay Chernyshevsky" also has a lot of info about Aleksey Kuropatkin and Dmitreiff's move to Geneva. I actually think it might be useful to remove all of the headings and then look at the structure fresh.
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I've reworked the lead and the first sentences of the Paris Commune section. Still more needed, or does it work ok? I think there's quite a lot of room for expansion in the Paris Commune section, and the
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Paris Commune: the article says here that she met Anne Jaclard in Paris, but it also says she met and befriended Jaclard as a teen in "Interest in social inequalities and Marxism" -- clarify this timeline
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6b: I deleted the modern picture of Temple Unique, and the Third Defeat of the French Proletariat. I changed "published in 1865" to "originally published in 1863", for the What Is To Be Done photo. --
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the russian litterture it would be really an improvement. Also, the role of the Jacks of Hearts is nebulous, I did not find much on them and a lot seems to be heavily stereotyped and not very factual.
2495:. But perhaps that only makes sense to me because I already know what the Commune is. Do you think this needs some more clarification? Or have the rewordings in here made it less confusing already? -- 3272:), so that's the Lissagaray photo accounted for, I think. The Barteneva one looks convincingly enough like a scan from a book to me that I'm not sure it counts as "unpublished", so I've pulled it. -- 528:
The subsection "Influence of Nikolay Chernyshevsky" should be rewritten to focus on ED; right now it's a bit all over the place. I can see how it all relates to her but that's not how it's written.
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1a: Mussorgsky's depression. Although other sources say he got depressed in 1865, not 1862, because that's when his mother died. I don't have "Élisabeth Dmitrieff : aristocrate et pétroleuse". @
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The most important element of Dmitrieff's notability is her participation in the Paris Commune. Right now, that's buried in a subsection, which leaves the Women's Union, also very important, as a
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But this got me reading more deeply into how copyright guidelines are phrased on WP regarding historical/archival images, and it is indeed the (extremely restrictive) way I am familiar with, and
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works I'm personally inclined to let it go for now. But if it's still too easy to miss that there was actual fighting going on, that's a problem and I'll want to fix that right away. --
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looks to me like it is unacceptable and needs to be deleted. The source information is contradictory: if it were indeed from 1900, as listed, it would be fine, and Ivan Knizhnik-Vetrov
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for expansion from French; I think some of the stuff from this article ought to be on that page, but I don't think I should be doing those moves myself as GA reviewer. I did translate
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The problem is, I don't have any of the books, and I'm not sure I want to buy them just for the GA nomination. I could certainly do my best with checking the online sources. --
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It's not quite in chronological order now, but it's closer. I think it makes sense to keep the sentence about where they lived over the years as a single unit. Thoughts? --
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on behalf of the Third Republic. I think those two sentences, in conjunction with the other details already present, would be enough to signal the full context.
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grrrrr @ historians sharing archival photos on Twitter without attribution. Maybe someone at the humanities refdesk will recognize the archival/postal mark. --
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education programme for all to the struggle on the barricades - she was reduced to a sexualised stereotype: that of the Red Virgin married to the revolution.»
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concerning "construction workers' strike? I don't actually know why it's important, or what happened between her marriage and her solo trip to Geneva"
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My immediate kneejerks to this are "come on, everyone knows what Marx looks like" and "ugh, does this biography of a woman really need more images of
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Some of the images like File:Commune de Paris barricade Place Blanche.jpg must be in the public domain for one reason or another, but I'm not sure if
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File:Ekaterina Barteneva.jpg File:Prosper Lissagaray.jpg Needs more info (eg. publication date, or death date of creator) to know public domain status
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Ok, I have Braibant now, and as I suspected it's a pop bio with really light referencing. I don't (yet) have any reason to call it an explicitly
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Hah, both good points. I rescind the suggestion. I love the image you found of the Paris Commune women, great idea to check the French article.
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Kushelev eventually married Troskevich in 1856, his first wife having died of cholera, after she intervened to save him when his serfs revolted.
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asserts that all US civil war photographs are now in the public domain, so 1865 is actually probably acceptable but later not necessarily. (
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I think that's all the images accounted for, would you say this article is OK to pass for image copyright? If so, I think it's all done!
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Resolved. I just removed it, since that section was causing problems anyway and I think everything else there is much more important. --
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who took it from whom (I can basically guess, but since there is no transition from the previous section to here, more context is useful)
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The section on Ivan Davidovski incorrectly represents at least one of the sources cited in it. I'll rework this section for accuracy. --
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You have a lot of people who assume "it's old, it must be out of copyright," and then you have much stricter image reviews eg. at FAC. (
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I think I might just have been getting thrown off by how confusing the debates were about her death date; this section reads fine now.
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Oh wow, you weren't kidding about that article! Time to expansion-tag it (and fill that redirect, which we don't have, apparently). --
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If so, the new CC-O Lissagaray photo solves that problem too. The images are all looking solid to me, next I will pass the review!
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Ok, with the help of a Russian-speaking friend I got through the blue archival note: it's in (or was in) архив ИМЭЛ, which is now
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120 years does make this acceptable for countries with a 70 year copyright term, but US copyright law is a bit more complicated.
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I'm sorry that I haven't addressed the concerns in a timely manner. I've gotten pretty busy lately, but I did fix some issues:
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I rewrote a few sentences in here, so can you have another look at these three Women's Union issues and see what you think, @
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agree that none of "Comics and literature" or "Music and theater" follows MOS:POPCULT, so I deleted those sections too.
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group of feminist Trotskyists participating in the Women's Liberation Movement and the Revolutionary Marxist Alliance
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3b: "Influence of Nikolay Chernyshevsky": I rewrote the section to focus more on Elisabeth, or at least her family. @
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The author given in the Mussgorsky file, Р. К. Ширинян, is probably the Mussgorsky specialist R. K. Shirinyan here:
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I checked Braibant's book again. The chapter 3 of the third part of the book is devoted entirely to the depiction of
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French article without reading the sources, so you would be a much better person to check the citations than me. --
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I think the issue here was just verb tense, but I also expanded the sentence. Still confusing, or better? --
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years old, so it's not in copyright". In fact, I don't think the photograph would be a safe bet even if it
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This is great, thank you -- great job fitting in these details concisely. I think it's really clear now.
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All but one of the images do have suitable licenses and are from the 19thC, which are appropriate, but
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I think I fixed this while you were writing this comment, actually. How does that section read now? --
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Thank you for all your work on the French article! And good luck with your Lausanne visit. I've tagged
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to be deleted from wikimedia commons now? unless someone can provide further clarity on its origins??
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I checked another website that says it's 120 years for "unpublished, death date of creator unknown" (
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says 120 years after the death of the creator, but I might be interpreting this section wrong. --
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reliable source, but wherever possible we should be prioritizing the more academic sources. --
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admirably neutral for a figure whose political work could clearly inspire strong partisanship
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The goal of the Union of Women was the formation of a trade union chamber of female workers
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Exile in Siberia: this section would make more sense if events were in chronological order
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earwig looks good-- all the (low) hits are for names of organizations or direct quotes.
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seems out of place when the article has not indicated who would be wounded or how/why.
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LOL I think this works -- agreed that it does not seem very important in this state.
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Dmitrieff shared with Louise Michel the wish not to differentiate women from men.
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participation in the Commune, and life after the Commune. Does this sound good?
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applies. That should not be an obstacle for passing the article as GA. (
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In the days that followed, revolutionary institutions were put in place.
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helped a lot as he speaks russian and could check the russian sources.
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the way I have seen them applied, which is basically "it's more than
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On the contrary - as the translator, and a fresh set of eyes, you're
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What Is to Be Done?: Spell out the link to Dmitrieff in the caption
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Union des femmes pour la défense de Paris et les soins aux blessés
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much clearer, now I even know which one intervened with the serfs!
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Union des femmes pour la défense de Paris et les soins aux blessés
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Elisabeth Dmitrieff Circle: what... is it? An... organization?
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sending all the book is unfortunately not possible.
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