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I've looked into this, and I've found about two dozen people who all say the same thing: "I fucking love science" was originally created by eight people, not just Elise Andrew. And the moment they began to get media attention, Elise Andrew booted her fellow admins and claimed credit for everything.
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Facebook search would give evidence to the contrary. The wikipedia is here to include facts and not to be subjective. That sentence regarding Neil DeGrasse Tyson is used for advertisement and is not wiki material. Before I started editing this page, the whole article was full of
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Did they politely and exhaustively rebrand themselves at some point in the last few years? The website and
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Re-read. I made two separate points; one being I don't know if the article belongs to wikipedia (probably does?) and second being if it does the article is not from a neutral perspective and includes none of the given criticism. If anything, it's almost like a commercial for the fb page.
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On Facebook I "liked" the page "I fucking love science" but I have not "friended" Elise Andrew. Those are two quite different things. You are wrong about me having some kind of close connection to Andrew.
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I don't know about all the personal attacks being thrown around, but some parts of this do sort of read like a CV, such as "Writings for The-Scientist website," which I plan to trim down.
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