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and other tertiary-source junk) is all in a tiny handful of niche entertainment-news blogs, which probably do not qualify as a reliable, nor as independent because they are entirely dependent for their survival on advertising revenue from entertainment-industry companies that are very insistent about their marketing stylizations. (Worse, the sources for both albums are mostly the same couple of articles; i.e., these two albums are not sustainably separate encyclopedia topics and should merge in summary form into the artist article, or be taken to
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My logic does not say what you are asserting it does. You haven't spoken to the fact you seem to have tacked on this "standard is met when there is significant coverage across a bunch of independent
English-language reliable sources" criteria. I won't argue against it entirely but you're implicitly
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trademark of every kind (at least if any "expression" of any sort were involved, and when could it not be?) would have to be precisely stylistically mimicked by
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grounds, in which case the result will be to merge summaries of them into the artist article.) In short, this is really a conflict between
Knowledge (XXG) style and "always precisely mimic trademarks to keep advertisers happy" style, and we know which one applies on Knowledge (XXG).
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Or it's artistic expression? Insofar as your additional criteria about interpreting MOSTM as "standard is met when there is significant coverage across a bunch of independent
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Mischaracterizing my posts as spamming even after I've clarified my intention is obnoxious and inherently bad faith. If you cannot read, that's a personal issue to resolve offline, not one to brandish into a weapon against me.
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about this at
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Estoile Naiant works as a satisfying continuation of patten's work, albeit one that moves his sound in a sideways direction.
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