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Thank you for clarifying. Please note that I am not questioning whether Van Sciver has engaged in
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I am a big fan from the moment I found this man's work in 1996. I own a full set of what I assume is the original
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While I do have personal opinions about Van Sciver (I bet you do too), they don't prevent me from editing the article fairly and objectively. I'm trying to discuss what's noteworthy enough to include in an encyclopedia article about him. The only obstacles to that are those you've thrown in the way,
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I want to know what people think of this source. On one hand, Grandpallama raises its connection to a university, however
Arcadia Darell raises points about the lack of knowledge of its editorial oversight, limited posts, and short duration making it seem to be self-published. I want to know what
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It provides no information on what the newsletters are based on and whether or not there is any editorial oversight. I'm not questioning whether this think tank is in principle capable of providing reliable research in its field, I am arguing that an unspecified newsletter from that think tank, a
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Critical Blast is a well-known mouthpiece for
Comicsgate advocates; we don't consider similar "news" sites (Bounding Into Comics, Bleeding Fool) to be RS. In this case, it's compounded by the fact that CriticalBlast is also a publisher and crowdfunding assistant of Comicsgate-related materials. I
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The "Political commentary" section lists various events that people might characterise as "right-wing", but it's not clear how many of those actually happened on his YouTube channel. Van Sciver literally seems to have thousands of hours of commentary on his channel. At what point does "right-wing
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I'm not disputing that Sciver is a prominent figure in Fandom Menace, but the source cited doesn't directly prove it. I've removed it once, and it's been reinstated. It mentions Sciver in passing, but given the contentious nature of the subject matter, I would suggest a source that quotes Sciver
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if you don't know what I'm talking about.) Because his views are highly polarizing and likely to invite edit-warring, I think it would be useful to first discuss and develop some consensus here about how to present this information in the article, what sources to use, etc.
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