Talk:Extinction Rebellion - Knowledge (XXG)

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opposed to listing non violence as one of their methods of achieving their aims sourced to their own statement. It is also dubious to state that an organisation which encourages and promotes criminal damage to corporate entities is non violent - certainly it does not agree with our article on nonviolence here on wiki. So although I am quite happy for non violent to remain in the sentence it should be in the latter part as "with the stated aim of using nonviolent civil disobedience to compel government action to avoid tipping points in the climate system, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse."

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removing a term, it is best not to hide it behind a catch-all summary lke 'Copyedit' as this appears misleading. How 'Swarming' is presented does not matter but removing the term after it was the first word in the headline of the only media report at the time contradicts your previous assertion that content in the mainstream media should guide the content of this article. I hope we can agree that we both want this article to be the best quality it can be and avoid future edit disputes by respecting the work of each other and all contributors to this page.

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ecological politics involved from the start. Many of the figures involved were activists long before Occupy emerged around 2011. IN fact some can trace their direct action to the Reclaim the Streets! of the 1990s. How tenuous this chain is or how much this influenced the modern XR is not easy to say. There are probably not sources that say this to wikipedia standards. Rather looking at the key individuals and their histories would be a better way of assessing this. However a lot were not activists and not involved in any groups or gatherings.

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marginalize and make irrelevant, the People’s Agreement. The reason being, to protect corporate interests by which they are funded. As well, the non-profit industrial complex protects the industrialized, capitalist economic system, responsible for the capitalist destruction of our shared environment. Those groups who continue to protect such interests must be considered complicit in crimes against humanity.

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Knowledge (XXG) journey which is intermittent at best. It will take a while to read all the articles, the arcana of Knowledge (XXG) is endlessly fascinating of course, Yet one, as we all do I am sure, has to put Bread on the Table, the dreaded Day Job etc. Anyway, have a good evening Its 98 PM here in Sweden and I have a long night of Code Hacking ahead of me. Thanks again

362: 4409:– Can I propose that the title be renamed to specifically focus on Extinction Rebellion UK. At present this does seem to be the de-facto focus of the article, entirely built around the UK "wing"/branch of the organisation and not specifically focused on the main global group name and aims. This distinction is likely to become more of an issue as the UK arm have now, 529: 1629:

We should steer clear of naming things by the new names invented by organisations or by movements and instead see whether they are merely new names for existing practices. Let time and the eventual analysis by reliable sources be the judge of whether something is actually novel and a new name appropriate. This article deserves to have editorial rigour. -

3131: 1695:, I said "If my reversions are themselves reverted then I will take it to the talk page." Collective editing would be much too slow if every alteration was first discussed on the talk page. I stand by my comments about citing reliable sources because I am harsher where it comes to people or organisations coining a new term for the sake of it. - 3102: 3823: 3232: 2225:) 22:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC) The concerns section is I think relevant to both articles which Page should we conduct the discussion it is probably easier to find consensus on one page and then discuss any changes to the core point which I think is a general point on most polarised positions in Political economy./* Criticism */ 2410:, and drawing the ire of the Huff post etc.. , corporate greenwashing and capture of well-meaning movements is a part of the study of Manufacturing Consent. and useful idiots , gatekeepers and controlled opposition do of course populate the organs of the Fourth Estate including Knowledge (XXG) articles. 2194:

to connect the dots. It is also a neutrality/BLP problem because the "About us" text from the criticizing blog is being used to imply Thunberg is an example of the those things the criticizing blog exists to do battle against. Another problem is the long quute from the criticizing blog is about the

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This content shouldn't be anywhere: it totally lacks secondary sources and thus fails WP:V spectacularly--not just because of lack of reliability, but the quality of the sourcing indicates this isn't noteworthy. Moreover, it's grammatically challenged: the "which" in "which has been expressed" refers

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Greta Thonberg responded to concerns of corporate capture of her message which has been expressed by the Wrong Kind of Green , an Indigenous peoples environmental group. "We attempt to expose those who undermine the People’s Agreement. One role of the non-profit industrial complex is to undermine,

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and this Compassionate Revolution Ltd. is a company that then has Rising Up! and Extinction Rebellion derived from it. Wayback machine has it appearing in 2015. The campaign of Extinction Rebellion began in the planning in 2018, in the Spring. BUT even looking in 2015 there were people thinking about

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Collective editing does seem to require that disputes are settled on the talk page rather than via an edit war. Reverting, in particular, seems to show a disregard for the work that other wikipedeans have done and personally I would reserve it mostly for vandalism. If you are changing the context, or

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says to me that it frames it in terms of violence against people, not against property: "Nonviolence is the personal practice of being harmless to self and others under every condition. It comes from the belief that hurting people, animals or the environment is unnecessary to achieve an outcome..."

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There are also serious concerns about the willingness of the organizers to work with the police, especially coming from Anarchists who constitute a large part of the organization. They allowed immigration checks to happen on the occupied marble arch camp, and requested their members to sign a public

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There are two key articles related to this Activism initiative and this response from Greta Thunberg aspects of manufacturing consent and controlled opposition and Gatekeepers all figure and the initiative should not be left here un-critically, the pedagogical aspects of Knowledge (XXG) should not

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I do not think that removal was appropriate. I acknowledge that the Daily Mail offers generally poor quality journalism. But two facts stand out in the case. First, court reporting in the United Kingdom is tightly regulated and those provisions apply to the material in question. And second, the

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article because it was growing unwieldy and overly detailed. I have summarised those actions in this article's actions section. (I should have ideally instead made the edits in two parts rather than one, removing the content in the first edit and then adding the summary in the second, so as to make

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uses 'Swarming' in quotes to indicate this is what only the group themselves are calling it, and the Sky News headline does not mention it, as you claim in saying "mentioned in the headline of two national news reports", its headline is "'Rebellion Day' activists plan to block five London bridges".

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Notability of the events described here is not an issue as there was plenty of coverage from independent reliable sources. The sparseness of detail of these reports allows for some extra details to be supplied from other sources which are reliable, verifiable and neutral. Guidelines as quoted above

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minor damage to further facilitate an act of protest - very different from promoting spray painting buildings. However as I hope I have explained to your satisfaction my point is not to have ER labeled a violent organisation but to state that they believe themselves to be a non violent movement as

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I do not dispute that as an organisation they profess non violence and there is only one major example of an individual being violent (understandably). However I think it is wrong that in the lead we state that they are a non violent organisation based on a couple of passing comments in sources as

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They did not provide adequate support for arrestees or proper explanation for the arrest process, nor did they give out arrest cards which are standard in this kind of protests in London. They did not even inform members they must answer no-comment to any questions until they have a lawyer, again,

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because none of the sources identify the criticing blog as "an indigenous people's environmental group". If it were not for all the other problems we might be able to say something with inline attribution to the authors of the blog column. Something like, "According to....". Maybe. But what we

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Yes sorry you are right, I misread the ref used. However with 1 source or 3 sources in the immediate aftermath of the event each using the term with caution in quotes, I still don't believe we should be reinforcing its use for the reasons I gave above. If you don't agree then let us leave it as it

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Initially all actions were arranged by date irrespective of their location, then an editor split the international actions with the very little that had happened then outside UK, which was not really worth it then. Now, with the intensity of actions in London and the news reports coming out of it

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By events, I mean individual events within the wider main event. Obviously the main event is notable. My concern is with using a primary source, not just a non-neutral source. Surely other non neutral sources exist to support the claims you are adding, that are not a primary source. Anyway I have

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As I understand it, it is the coverage by the independent reliable sources that demonstrates the notability of the events. If such sources do not cover parts of the event, then they are not considered notable. Knowledge (XXG)'s job is not to provide a thorough document of an event, but to reflect

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Although coming from a primary source connected with the group Extinction Rebellion/XR, the nearly four hour long livestream of the "Declaration of Rebellion" assembly on 31oct is an unbroken video without commentary allowing the events of that day to be viewed from an impartial point of view and

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Mainstream media reports of new or emerging social movements tend to be very light on detail, many are clearly not written by reporters at the event, some are reports compiled of a trawl through social media sites for information, as such the media aticles are sometimes the more biased and skewed

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Please change the main description: is an environmental pressure group with the stated aim of using civil disobedience to compel government action on climate breakdown, biodiversity loss, and the risk of social and ecological collapse. To: is an anarchist movement attempting to change the 'toxic

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Thank you both for very helpful guidance, I will see what I can do time allowing. Regarding the allegation of biased canvassing, That was something of a fly in the appointment I reject the accusation, but I will not get in the way what is turning out to be a rather spiffing learning curve for my

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First I want to say thank you to Roger for consolidating the discussion on one article talk page and to NewsandEventsGuy for helping Roger with the housekeeping. I agree with the above editors that the paragraph quoted above should not be included. XR and Thunberg don't seem to be related to The

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Your point seems to be confused, the two references that supported the use of 'Swarming' were The Guardian and The Independent, after you suggested in the summary that "Before a new phrase is coined we need more sources than 1 that demonstrate this is anything new" and above in the discussion on

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Both the lead and the History section say that "Extinction Rebellion was officially established in the United Kingdom in May 2018" and "launched" at the end of October 2018. There is no difference between "officially established" and "launched", so both cannot be true. All of the five refs give

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I'm not really going to enter into editing this article, but I think editors might like to give a bit more coverage to XR's common practice of disrupting public transport. Of course, mentioning the blatant contradiction of blocking environmentally friendly transport systems to protest about the

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Hi, I don't feel like it's my places to edit the article as I feel like its got a group of dedicated writers for XR. I feel like the article would benefit from a section labelled "structure and organisation". Rolling in details about liberation groups (Youth XR, BAME, women's, disabled etc.),

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A carve out for court reporting could be useful as a Knowledge (XXG) policy. Such reporting is tightly controlled in the United Kingdom. And probably why this Daily Mail article is of uncharacteristically high standard. In any case, I guess this thread can now be considered closed? Best,

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There is of course a debate about if non violence only applies to people or also to property. Please see our nonviolence article under methods, it does not mention that violence to property is acceptable. On your direct action link it quotes two extreme organisations and then only mentions

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To your main point: OK. In answer to "It is also dubious to state that an organisation which encourages and promotes criminal damage to corporate entities is non violent - certainly it does not agree with our article on nonviolence here on wiki", I disagree. A quick look at our article on

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in a very wonky way to "her message", since that is the closest antecedent, but I think it's meant to refer to "concerns", which is a plural and too far away for proper anaphoric reference. Finally, I think you left out a closing quotation mark in this longer comment; at first I thought

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page where most actions followed a similar pattern but each XR event is different and with the groups rapidly growing they will probably reinvent themselves in unexpected ways. So for the moment I'm in favour of keeping the current structure to avoid the confusion a rearrangement might

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Oh yes, fair enough. Well, all part of the same movement under different brands, I reckon, and indicative of a movement driven by irrationality in my book. But anyway, that's not for the article. See what comes up in the media for the Criticism section - could be interesting.

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Please find an independent source on the group being non-violent. I've left in the reference to non-violence in their "Stated Principles" section because it is sourced, but if you want to include that they are in fact non-violent their manifesto is not adequate as a source.

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about it / say is notable. The organisation or movement's own web site can describe events in more detail. If the parts of the event you describe become noteworthy by being described by independent reliable sources in future, then they can be described here.

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Hello. In the article section "Stated aims and principles", I suggest to add the following picture just below the green placard of XR. It illustrates the 10 principles and values of the movement. What do you think? Could someone do that? Thanks in advance.

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They profess to be non-violent. No RS has claimed they are not to my knowledge, I've not seen any evidence of they behaving in a violent manner. I think we can leave the description non-violent in the lede without source as the claim is sourced in the body

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I have been trying to find a free image of the pink boat that can be used in the article as it seems to have been the iconic picture of the rebellion so far. If anyone has any ideas where I could search for a wikipedia usable image I'd be very grateful.

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sources. Although Knowledge (XXG) is a tertiary source, we are not allowed to cite ourselves as a reference. On the talk page, its OK to help others know what you're talkinga about, but we can't cite Knowledge (XXG) in a Knowledge (XXG) article.

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The Wrong Kind of Green is a collective and not a hierarchical patriarchal organisation as such it does not fit within the Categorisation negation of the media-industrial censorship complex barre mechanism, they avow to these principles.

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This is a fast emerging movement that is rapidly changing and media/public interest is growing - pageviews are up from 731 to 1,187 to 1,529 yesterday - I hope our wikipedia article reflects an accurate and balanced summary of events so

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No doubt that the article is UK heavy. Perhaps this article title could be kept to discuss the organisation in the global sense, whilst an article for the UK branch could be formed? would sap a lot of info from the main article and the

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Given the scale of the content focusing on the UK it'd probably make more sense though to keep this one as "Extinction Rebellion UK" and then create a new article for Extinction Rebellion as the global "brand" as it were.

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is, but I do suggest replacing the current single quotes with double quotes. Also, if you prefer that collective editing be done via the talk page rather than using the revert option, then I am happy to do that. -

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article was informative, very well illustrated, contained a number of interesting quotations from the activists, and I saw nothing that contradicted my understanding of events. The photographs were credited to

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be provided. Both actions would seem appropriate. But conversely, an apparently blanket condemnation of Daily Mail reporting is surely counterproductive. And at odds with the ethos of Knowledge (XXG) too?

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2018 when a group of activists me at Gail Bradbrook's house to draw up plans. I'm going to change to that in the History section, but leave it out of the lead, because it's not significant enough for there.

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There is a serious concern about the corporate sponsorship through companies like Huawei and STRATFOR which the leadership tries to conceal in order to appear as a grassroots non-affiliated movement. See

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this is standard in similar UK actions, and there is a sentiment that the leadership treats members as cannon fodder with little to no regards to the harm it might cause some people in the long run.

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Yeah, Extinction Rebellion's UK arm is literally called "Extinction Rebellion UK" which is why I've used it as the new title. So why you're opposed to its usage as the title proposed I have no clue.

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You will note that the Wrong Kind of Green article comes in at no 3 in Duck a Go Go and on google the search term itself is cleary the subject of a dynamic shadow ban in the google algorithm itself.

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The real grassroots of Environmental activism which Greta complains of not reading about in the Newspapers. These are all matters which Professor Piers Robinson has been studying and publishing on,

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Change the pages source to include "Category:Climate change organisations based in the United Kingdom" in square brackets at the end of the page as this is a climate organisation based in the UK

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I don't think non-political is accurate. I haven't seen any sources say either way, so I think we should remove non-political until we have some sources which say whether it is political or not.

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Sources supporting this content are too weak for a BLP article (probably also weak for any contentious claim in any article). Without better sourcing, there is no place for this in the article.

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have here are self publishing people who self-describe their obvious advocacy pieces as "independent jouranlism". Who cares, everyone is entitled to an opinion and Wordpress blogs are free.

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Which is what I believe Knowledge (XXG) style is, but I do not have a reference for policy on that, so can only wait to see what someone more knowledgeable than I suggests. (For similar see

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https://www.google.se/search?q=Greta+Thonberg+critisism+corporate+capture&oq=Greta+Thonberg+critisism+corporate+capture&aqs=chrome..69i57.10807j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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sources. We can't use self published criticism about third parties, especially when the criticism is advocating the self-publishing authors' own political and economic goals. Sorry.

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This may have been a problem which puzzled philosophers for eons, but now it a practical problem here as XR becomes more prolific, organising simultaneous events across the world:

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Do we list actions by time and subdivide by place, or by place and subdivide by time, or create a sortable table so that the reader can rearrange the data to suit their needs?

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Common sources of bias include political, financial, religious, philosophical, or other beliefs. Although a source may be biased, it may be reliable in the specific context."

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sources that content in mainstream media should guide what content we include in the wikipedia article. Reverting edits without discussion does not seem to assume good faith.

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Righto, I read the linked article and I agree that the use of the source in this article is against the guidelines (whether or not the source is accurate and good quality).

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This looks pretty specific, but it also looks like the IP user didn't put the template in and just copied the header. Since doing anything more than minor edits right now

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In short I believe that the quality of this article can be improved by the use of selective social media and be more accurate whilst maintaining a neutral point of view.

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Without showing that the original had a different emphasis, between the first statement and the second in each point, then we are changing the meaning of the quote.

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from making changes, and its purpose is to prevent future problems rather than punish for past behavior. That is also the goal of my long comment here, prevention.

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source. We have an explicit prohibition on self published sources in biographies of living people. That means you MAY NOT USE this blog on Greta's article. See

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Would it be possible for those rolling back edits to state some nuanced reasoning for their actions? And whether they have even read the article in question.

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be ignored to promote activism. I will work up a påaragraph with the first two references as this article is really a trotting out of the PR campaign from

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change "Extinction Rebellion (abbreviated as XR) is a UK-headquartered global environmental movement," to "Extinction Rebellion (abbreviated as XR) is a

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This movement is designated as "non-political." Given the expansive nature of what is political, at least currently, is that designation accurate?

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It's split into sections,and I appreciate it can be time consuming to asses but it's important to include some of these critiques in this article.

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Wat? No source (the referenced Guardian article makes no mention of May). So, can someone please be bothered to edit this in a sensible way? --

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Hello. The three aims of the movement are stated twice in the 'manifesto' section. I offer to correct that. Let me know if you have any comments.

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facts to be checked especially if referenced with time footnotes (ftn). Currently this article is missing some citations related to this event.

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http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/02/03/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-for-consent-the-house-is-on-fire-the-90-trillion-dollar-rescue/

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Forcing their will onto others is coercion which is a form of violence. They can argue it's "justified" violence but non-violence is a lie.

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This should be removed for not clarifying. It makes no sense whatsoever, especially since "personal/political distinction" is not defined.

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SOme cririsisms of The Rong Kind of Green etc.. also some grammarian stuff, all very interesting Eats shoots and leaves and all that. LOL,

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The section about "Green-washing" is not appropriate in this article and is not sourced - please do not revert without further discusssion

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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because Thunberg's words addressing pushback in general does not name the other sources provided here. That means RogerGLewis is doing

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system' of western society and government through disruption and civil disobedience most recently centred around a climate emergency.

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I could have but there is nothing about it there. Will try to create a stand alone later, although it may not have lasting notability.

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proposed text says nothing about the subject of this article, so it is off topic here. However, this matter is being discussed at

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Hi. It would illustrate them, but it wouldn't illustrate them well, being at an angle. Have we instead a photo of them head on? -

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made the point and that is all I wish to do, in the hope of an article with the best sourcing, so that it can sustain critique. -

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PS: It would be nice if the only article image on the left would be aligned on the right (as other illustrations). Thank you.

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opposed to use sources which mention in passing that they ARE a non violent movement which then asserts that in the article

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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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geographic divisions, organisation of the group and membership. Single-issue groups would belong on the separate article

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related articles on Knowledge (XXG). If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join

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The article needs updating. They targeted election campaign buses including an electric bus by the Liberal Democratics.

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Police partially cleared the Oxford Circus site, including removing the boat, whilst activists still occupied the road.

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100 people and top academics around the world signing letters did not come out of no-where. XR can be traced back to

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So we have a problem as I see it. This article is useful while its publisher is seen as pathologically unreliable.

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Thornberg responded to criticism of being a hired activist by resigning from the organisation we do not have time

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There were more protests in 2020. Can they be included in this article? The article talks about 2019 and earlier.

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Housekeeping note: This discussion started when RogerGLewis added this paragraph to this article, and also to

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In certain circumstances the normally preferred sources for an wikipedia aticle are not necessarily the best.

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https://longhairedmusings.wordpress.com/2019/02/05/greenkeepers-gophers-usefullidiots-and-donteatyellowsnow/

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than including it; omission is much common than inclusion as well whenever completing a Google Search. See

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By late evening police had towed away the boat and were saying that 682 people had been arrested in London.

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and extinct organisms. If you would like to participate, you can choose to edit this article, or visit the

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Flying drones to disrupt airports was proposed, discussed and decisesively rejected by the XR membership.

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Anyone who follows the core principles and values can take action in the name of Extinction Rebellion.

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plus can you give evidence of Extinction Rebellion being violent, Antifa are a different organisation.

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http://organisemagazine.org.uk/2019/04/24/careful-comrade-your-class-is-showing-xr-has-some-problems/

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https://nowhere.news/index.php/2019/04/01/astroturfing-the-way-for-the-fourth-industrial-revolution/

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articles on environment-related topics, as well as to ensure that environment articles are properly

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Thank you for adding the edit request template, but this request is nearly a year old, and is now

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criticizing blog, not about the subject of this article, so it is off topic. And the text fails

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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Change the caption of the red brigade: Red Brigade protesters near the "New York Stock Exchange"

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It was changed from socio-political movement to non-political movement by an IP editor today in

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Here are some references that could potentially be worked into the article. With best wishes.

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Here is a more reliable source of critique, coming from Organize! by the Anarchist Federation:

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Here's a new initiative worth looking out for, just beginning to make the first news stories:

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The source is pretty clear that the boat was impounded on Friday, which would be 19 April. -

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Thanks for that. I agree that we should wait and see before restructuring the information.

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On the problem of Notability I offer two Searches One for Duck a Go Go and one for Google

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You're welcome. I took several snaps. Here's a panorama, showing the boat in context.

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Greta+Thunberg+criticism+corporate+capture&t=hp&ia=web

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https://www.thelocal.se/20190209/start-up-used-child-climate-activist-to-raise-millions

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Added and linked Policy Exchange Report, and confirmed verbally with Simon Bramwell.

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so I am troubled by your tendency to imply that one or more of us other editors are

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The Daily Mail is deprecated and shouldn’t be used as a source at all. Please see

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I am surprised that wikipedia can allow such a biased treatment if the movement.

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By late evening police were saying that 682 people had been arrested in London.

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oh I am responding to a old conversation and it is referenced in the main body.

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in terms of changing the subject's styling for a straighter interpretation.) -

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when adding content and consider tagging or removing unsourced information.

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Some primary sources can be regarded as reliable, verifiable and neutral.

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Wrong Kind of Green blog in any way; and the blog itself is not (yet) a

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google docs confession form declaring they're willing to be arrested.

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is not part of Extinction Rebellion and should not be redirected here.

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Category:Climate change organisations based in the United Kingdom

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Any ideas where to find an image for the Oxford Circus pink boat?

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You must be joking. Some of them are quite violent. Even Antifa.

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https://www.facebook.com/732846497083173/posts/767646880269801/

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Why did you bring you Heathrow Pause if it's not a part of XR?

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect

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This article reads like an uncritical puff of the movement.

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The Controversies section needs to be much more extensive.

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https://twitter.com/PiersRobinson1/status/994279012787736577

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even mention May. The Elle article says that it "began" in

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Extinction Rebellion 'stemmed from failed bus lane protest'

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As Charles said, please specify where your concerns lie. —

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article, which too could become more globally orientated.

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What is Hallam's current role after the holocaust comment?

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I agree absolutely and will reinstate your edit. Cheers!

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Yeh, I guess so. Maybe they should add that exception.

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I've fixed it; you could have done that yourself. :)

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