169:. I have found it a few other places as well. I was not planning on making such a shoty article. It does have a lot of problems, but I do not think it should be deleted. Torn up and salvaged for anything remotely useful, yes... but deleted... I hardly think that is useful for an encyclopedia, especialy since (minimum) this has been proposed by a few people and organizations, and people might want to know about it (such as myself.) I know from one end we are going to get those that hate the environmentalists trying to put in any little two cents to help it... and at the other end, environmentalists trying to take it down... but maybe it can be made into a decent article conserning something that someone might want to know about.
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responsible. For example, Pluto is warming even though it is moving away from the Sun. Neptune's moon Triton is warming and it is about the same distance from the Sun as Pluto. Is it possible the warming could be from solar variation? Maybe but scientists are not saying that yet. I found an article that discusses warming on Pluto and Triton. While solar input is discussed, the scientists are mostly crediting changes to the atmosphere and increased atmospheric pressure for the higher temps. But a great deal of uncertainty is still involved. "This is a very complex process, and we just don't know what is causing these effects" on Pluto's surface, Elliot said. "That's why you need to send a mission."
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is just planetary seasonal warming is possible for the distant planets but not possible for Mars. Since I have read more, I have learned that Pluto is warming while it is growing more distant from the Sun. That does not indicate seasonal warming and tells us that something very different is going on. The scientists who study Pluto think it has to do with increasing atmospheric pressure on Pluto, but the uncertainties are high. I invite you to make the article better by adding quality science. I really do not think there is anything for your side to fear from this article. You shouldn't be so jumpy and insecure about it. It makes it look like you are trying to hide something.
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make certain the science presented is sound? William, regarding the fact time series of T was not available when the book was written in 2002, that did not relate to my purpose in quoting him. However, since you have raised the issue, a greater time series of T is available now than before. I do not yet know if a recent study has been published.
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means every point on Pluto cools every 6.39 days. As you can see, I don't think his analogy holds up. The warming on Pluto could be the result of volcanic activity or factors we do not even know. Or, it could be the Sun. I'm not saying it is but I am saying I do not think it is reasonable to rule it out yet.
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I wrote the entire solar system, because that is what the hypothisis conserns. I have found nothing stating it conserning only part of the solar system. However, if you feel it is best as some, based on lack of information on this topic so far, change it and if it needs changing back later, it can be
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says "the entire solar system" while an article in the esteemed journal prisonplanet.com says "almost every planet in our solar system"www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2006/161106suvjupiter.htm] I suspect the answer is that you pick the planets that fit the "theory" best, and ignore the others.
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Stephan, you are correct. One of the scientists compares Pluto to being at 1:15 pm and expects the high temp to be at 2 or 3 pm. While his point has a semblance of logic, I do not think it works that way. While the orbit of Pluto takes 250 years or so, it rotates on its axis every 6.39 days. That
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I have again removed the quote from Plaut. The space.com article cited is guilty of false advertising. If you read the papers which are the basis of the press release that the article used, you find that the climate variations on Mars are due strictly to oscillations in the
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It should also be pointed out that Pluto orbits the Sun in about 250 years (i.e. it's "year"). Thus 14 years of data is less than even a season. Others have said it already, but this whole article is nothing more than people pushing a specific agenda while ironically accusing those of us trying to
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Now, now, Stephan. I don't think that is quite fair. You were reading into my post too much. I did not claim
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mission. He wasn't claiming anything about the warming being external. In fact, the article says very clearly that the warming is due entirely to processes on Pluto's surface (quotes from the various researchers involved). The writers of this article have been very selective in the information
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The above named book by Rasmus E. Benestad discusses solar activity and climate change on Earth and compares and also looks at other planets in the solar system. The author writes: "We will glean some information from two other earth-like planets, Venus and Mars, as well as the Moon, and compare
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As a planetary scientist, I am interested in all of these things. Also as a planetary scientist, I do not understand how anyone would conclude that these have common cause. Perhaps I am too close to my subject, but it seems like we need better PR if stuff like this page is not to clutter up my
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theory in a few ways. I know a lot of people will want to be deffending Global
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All of the articles cited as purported sources of 'global warming' on Pluto say exactly the contrary of the thesis presented in this article. They are not relevant: the changes in the temperature of Pluto are caused by thermal inertia and changes in albedo as methane ice condenses in permanent
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By "grown" I mean it was small, and now it is bigger. As for copying, I agree that not enough of this is explained to take that bit of information and shove it in here. As for copying the information, it is done all over wikipedia. If you don't like it, put it here, and it can be worked on, and
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shadow. The one reference that might have implied 'solar system warming' was again a researcher taken out of context: he admitted that we don't understand the process on Pluto in all details. That is hardly an endorsement of 'solar system warming'. Such mis-representation is not acceptable.
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I hope this thing dies; but in case it doesn't I've added some stuff about Pluto from the ref. One of the things this article should emphasise is the lack of any T obs. Pluto seems to be guessed from atmos p from stellar occulation; and as far as I can tell they have two datapoints 14y apart
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scientific theory none the less... just as all theories started out as. This is not a place for political environmentalist attacks. This is a place for defining, explaining, deffending, and rebutaling a theory. A gathering of information. Please, let's keep it that way. Thank you.
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indeed the preferred explanation for Pluto's (extremely tentative!) warming trend. Yes, Pluto is moving away from the sun, but it is still near the closest approach, and hence may still be heating up. Read your own sourcesĀ ;-). And we still have no reliable source that claims
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Like I say - I hope this thing dies (tell all your friends to vote - the keepers are). But while its here it might as well be sane (characteristically, those voting "reluctant keep - should be here but needs to be improved" - are doing nothing to improve it)
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The climate change on Earth. This is different from the others in three respects: it is fast (~100 years), non-oscillatory (the famous hockey-stick graph), and it has a very well documented cause (CO2 concentration increasing due to human burning of fossil
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I changed "all" in the intro to "some", on the grounds that only a few had even been listed. Is the hypothesis really "all"? This rather shows into sharp relief how OR this entire thing is: how are we supposed to know? Whose hypothesis is this anyway?
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There is no science to present - if there was, people wouldn't be linking to junk like prisonplanet. As to longer time series: which longer series are you referring to, exactly? If you know of one, why havent you introduced it before?
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279:Scientific
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93:User:Quarl
1041:Talk:Mars
232:There is
105:like this
67:ArchiveĀ 2
61:ArchiveĀ 1
882:reliable
397:.Ā ;-) --
271:Evidence
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275:Theory
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