2377:(outdent) It doesn't matter. You are presenting a linking of information in a clear attempt to prove your point. This is the essense of synthesis of material. Furthermore you have no third party sources to back up any claim that would state the overall weight or relevance this is to the article. Emanuel and McCaughey's sources are all 1st party sources. You need some RELIABLE thirds party sources that are making the conclusion that you are trying to prove in this section. THIS IS NOT A RESEARCH PAPER. THIS IS NOT A THESIS. MMfA is NOT a reliable source for this kind of material, they are a highly partisan source and the section violates NPOV by using them as the basis for your only third party information. What is it that you don't understand about
847:"hiding references to Emanuel's paper ..." - in what way exactly? The article mentions all the material quoted by McCaughey and much else besides. Also, if the article is not to make it appear that McCaughey is "automatically incorrect", does this mean that she accurately described the title of the scarce medical interventions article? Or the first sentence? McCaughey did in fact omit the fact that Ezekiel was talking about rationing of necessity because of scarcity (there are waiting lists for organ transplants, vaccines are scarce during pandemics and so forth). Is there in very specific point to what you're saying? An example would be more clear.
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I'm sure you're sincere, but your point, if any, is that she didn't use the exact same words when talking about the same thing on four different occasions, perhaps? I clarified some more, but as quoted above, she did reference Emanuel's June JAMA article in the WSJ and IBD editorials and in
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vaccines, or which patient should get a liver transplant). Available evidence indicates that Ezekiel was, in fact, not talking about rationing all or most of health care. Also, available references indicate that he did, indeed, oppose euthanasia in the form of doctor assisted suicide. The
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