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84: 74: 53: 609:) with all the properties of embedding, such as homeomorphism, push-forward and pull-back functions, etc. Also, foliation involves some additional structures that connect the leaves, such as a common normal or a requirement for the hypersurfaces to be Cauchy surfaces. Such a definition would be more useful for the people which actually use the foliation concept, and they are primarily numerical relativists doing 3+1 decomposition of spacetime. So I confirm the interpretation of 22: 566:-dimensional manifolds. This could not be less obvious from reading the page. Such a simplified explanation should go either in the introduction or in a section before the more theoretic explanation presently included. I have not made such a change pending confirmation by someone who can confirm my interpretation.-- 463:
I thought it was very confusing to boldface "stripe," as if it's some standard terminology to be learned, only to say that the correct terminology is "plaque." So I un-boldfaced stripe. Also, these guys are p-dimensional, not n-p - dimensional, rrright? They're sets where x (which consists of n-p
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From what I understand in this article, by "foliation" it means covering the manifold with immersed submanifolds. Although this may be correct as a very general and abstract definition, it is not how foliation is understood in the disciplines that use it (mainly relativity). In such applied sense,
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Does anyone know about the history of foliation theory? the book by Camacho and Neto says that it was invented as an attempt to solve Poincare's conjecture, but a theorem of Novikov shattered this hopes (every foliation of a closed 3-manifold with trivial, or finite?, fundamental group has a Reeb
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It is confusing what p and n-p are for. From the definition, the dimension of leaves (or strips/plaques), where x=constant, should be p-dimensional, not n-p dimensional as stated. But this is inconsistent with what in Examples and Foliation... One has to either switch p and n-p in Definition, or
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integrability, the dimension of the integral curves of a vector field is first identified with the dimension of the leaves of a 1 dimensional foliation. However, in the next alinea, integral manifolds of an (n-p) dimensional distribution appear to be identified with the leaves of a foliation.
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Nobody seems to react to this criticism and yet it points to a true problem in the text, at least in the version as of today. In the definition section x stands for the first n-p coordinates and leaves are identified with x=constant so leaves are p dimensional. In the section Foliations and
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Right, but then you added a link to it, which I thought was very strange. I did entertain the notion it might be a technical term though and that's why I wrote my comment in my edit description. I removed the link to avoid possible future confusion, since I figured you were using the word
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Also, the difference between stripes, plaques, and leaves is not clear in the article. I intend to add more precise definitions of rectangular neighbourhood, foliated atlas, etc. and then the link to overlapping plaques of a foliated atlas to form the leaves of a foliation.
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responsibility to stop them making some hypothetical mistake, which might distract some hypothetical reader some day. In fact that may remove some information they should have. The wiki isn't perfect; but the policy is that we assume editors are reasonable people first.
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I wasn't removing it because it was a red link. Let me emphasize: I removed it to avoid future confusion. I shudder to think of somebody clicking on it and getting sent to a page about a candy store. For example, try
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component). This book, or any other I know of, does not provide a reason why study/ do research on this subject. So, perhaps this entry would benefit if a reason to study foliations is provided.
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Should the line 'There is a global foliation theory, because topological constraints exist.' be 'There is no global foliation theory, because topological constraints exist.' ??
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lpatrol, maybe you could add a section and call it "A simple example: mesh functions". In it you or someone else could explain why not every foliation is this simple.
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My comment on the introduction paragraph. Obviously I used 'stripes' because it is a very quick way to get a visual image of a foliation, locally, for anyone.
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In the Examples section, the "book" example, although correct in itself, is not presented in the same logic as the definition, which adds to the confusion.
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Foliations can be viewed as solutions to first order linear homogeneous PDEs -- look at the technique of the proof of the Frobenius theorem.
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Therefore, I changed the lead, giving first the general mathematical definition, and then the more special relativistic definition.
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are both examples of foliations. If I understand this correctly, then foliations are just ways of decomposing an
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I'm getting a sense that this subject can be explained in a much less technical way with a few examples.
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I changed codimension by dimension, because I think that p is used in that sense in the definition.
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Is there someone among the principal contributors to this article willing to straighten this out?
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I read somewhere that foliation theory was developed to understand the phase space structure of
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There is a mistake R^n must be a R^p when at the beginning you define what a foliation is.
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being the dimension of the ambient (embedding) manifold. I made this clear in the lead.
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I think that C class is closer to the current state of the article so I promoted it.
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foliation is understood as a stack of disjoint embedded hypersurfaces (dimension
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dimensions) is held constant, so the remaining p dimensions are allowed to vary.
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More on the definition: There seems to be some confusion about the domain of
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is the dimension of the leaves and also the dimension of the foliation, and
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responsibility to make sure the backlinks from it are all useful. It is not
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Sorry for replying here, not up with the interface quirks...
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I had a wild dream of having Foliation be a redirect page to
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those in later parts. I hope that I am not misunderstood...
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and this page, which deals with mathematics, being called
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Made a correction (I think) and another minor change
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