Talk:Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II/Archive 2

938:“M1A2 tanks uniformly incorporate depleted uranium armor, and all M1A1 tanks in active service have been upgraded to this standard as well, the armor thickness believed to be equivalent to 24 inches (610 mm) of RHA. The strength of the armor is estimated to be about the same as similar western, contemporary main battle tanks such as the Leopard 2. The M1A1/M1A2 can survive multiple hits from the most powerful tank munitions (including 120 mm depleted uranium APFSDS) and anti-tank missiles.” 1386: 1459:"Thanks. I just added a reference for the Boyd book. -Fnlayson 15:04, 11 June 2007 (UTC)" Since we are using the Boyd book for a reference can we add the fact that Pierre Sprey played an important role in the A-10? I find no mention of him in this article. In fact, I believe he was the one who distributed the copies of the above mentioned book to designers. I no longer own a copy of the book, can some one look up the relevant pages?Stanleywinthrop 15:55, 9 August 2007 (UTC) 1396: 31: 935:“Although the A-10 can carry a considerable weight of disposable stores, its primary built-in weapon is the 30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling gun.... The massive shells and high muzzle velocity allow the Thunderbolt II to destroy heavily armored main battle tanks with as few as six direct hits.” I've heard stuff like this before, but it seems suspicious. Consider therse quotes from other wikipedia articles: 626:. However, the weapon of choice need not be skewered (I don't see any notes like this on the Maverick page, M-16 page, grenade pages, etc.). That said, the incident and all particulars could (and possibly should) be included in the friendly fire page or its own page (should size warrant it). Heck, I don't care if someone starts a page for the PEOPLE responsible, but don't lambaste an inanimate object. 1250:

cancled, the F-16 has engaged in close air support (CAS) in every major conflict (for the U.S.) it has flown in, up to and including present day operations in Iraq. Your definition of ground attack is skewed. Ground attack can be many things, including CAS, but also things such as interdiction, where high speed can be very much an advantage for a ground attack aircraft, to help avoid defenses.

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suggests — little wings appended upwards or downwards from the wingtips. Unlike the "curled" wingtips, they aren't used to reduce drag but rather to generate a thrust component from the vortex's movement over the airfoil. They are useful on aircraft that routinely fly at high altitude and or at large angles of attack.

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a lot harder to operate, and as the manual says "a single engine manual reversion approach ...should be attempted only under ideal conditions". (The press article referenced doesn't say "single engine" but it does say "damaged engine" -- same sort of thing I would think.) But the controls are still there.

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there to prevent the formation of drag-inducing wingtip vortices. The air is moving more rapidly over the top of the wing than the bottom, so when the air that moves out over the top of the wing meets the air moving out under the bottom it "curls" over, producing a vortex. Wingtip vortices have the

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The name of the book is "Warthog: Flying the A-10 in the Gulf War" by William Smallwood, 1993. It has a page on the JU-87G, Rudel, and Israeli aircraft destroying tanks with their 30mm guns in 1967. It is obvious that the JU-87G, not the IL-2 nor the A-1, was the aircraft that led to the GAU-8 and

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G-1 and G-2 Stuka to destroy tanks with their underwing 37mm guns was a factor in making the 30mm GAU-8 gun the main anti-tank weapon on the A-10. This is stated in the book "Warthog". Also in the Six-Day War 1967; Israeli aircraft destroyed a great many tanks with their 30mm guns. In the article

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The article says "...destroyed its hydraulic system, disabling the plane's stabilizer and flight controls". That's not really correct. Hydraulic failure doesn't disable flight controls, because of the reversion modes. It disables the hydraulic boost (servo) systems. So the flight controls become

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So my description of how the drag is induced is incorrect; the drag is presumably not from any suction effect from the low-pressure zone in the center of the vortex, but rather from high-pressure air spilling over the end of the wing to the upper surface, spoiling the lift-inducing low pressure zone

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I am certain that the A-10 has not been deployed to Iraq since the initial invasion in 2003 and maybe a few months after that. They have been doing all of their work in Afghanistan but not Iraq in the last few years. Does anyone have any resources that would back this up. Deployment info is tough

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No, but the article states that a "ground attack" version of an F-16 was cancled. The reference clearly refers to a "close air support" version of the F-16 and not a "ground attack version", and I changed the article to reflect as such. The irony is, even though this close air support version was

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Hm... seems like the A-10 could get completely replaced by raptors. Considering Raptors are pretty damn agile, not to mention they feature those vulcan guns that were actually designed to shoot through tanks. The A-10 also features this, however it only falls under 'support' like many ppl already

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If an M1 can survive it's own gun, how could a mere 30mm AP round have any effect? If a 30mm AP round can penetrate 69mm of armor, six rounds should only penetrate 414mm of armor if they all land in exactly the same place, which is already very unlikely. MBTs are also much more heavily armored than

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A related legend (I can't verify it) is that there's a pod-mounted 30mm cannon that they tried on the A-10 in addition to the main gun. One was mounted under each wing and it fired at the same time as the main gun. Allegedly, the recoil from three such cannon firing simultaneously caused the A-10

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I say we delete it. It is trivial that it was an A-10 that was used and the aircraft and its facts should simply be what they are: facts. If an A-10 was used for something unique or of particular note (such as shooting down a airliner on a diplomatic mission), then it should be included, but these

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In addition, six pylon upgrades will allow the new A-10 to employ such advanced weapons as the Joint Direct Attack Munitions, or JDAM, and the Wind Corrected Munitions Dispenser, WCMD, in addition to current weapons in its arsenal: the Maverick missile, a 30-mm Gatling gun, and laser-guided bombs.

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Maybe "one" does not have a second on Google to do so; one could be reading an offline version of Knowledge (XXG), or one may not wish to spend time reading the idle chatter of military enthusiasts on random websites. If this is widely-enough used that it deserves a mention in the article then it

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Under the section on Durability, I removed the request for citation involving the aircraft being referred to as "a flying tank". Such citation requests are frequent on wikipedia, and frivolous. One needs only to spend a second or two looking for "Flying Tank" and "A10" on google to verify the

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An industry team led by Lockheed Martin developed the upgrades after a request for changes from Air Combat Command. Changes consist of a new cockpit instrument panel with two 5-inch-square multifunction color displays and a new stick-type grip and right throttle to provide fingertip control of

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upward-curling wingtips are Hoerner wingtips. They're intended to reduce induced drag by throwing the tip vortex outward and upward; droop tips are curved down, rather than up, and do mostly the same thing (as well as reduce the ground effect). They are useful Winglets are just like the name

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article (right above the "winglets" entry). From the pictures, the Warthog's tips look to be no more that 18 inches long, if even a foot. I think most winglets are longer than that, but again that's also just a guess from the pics. Maybe someone with more direct knowledge can help us here. -

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Actually, the gun is slightly to the left. It's setup up so tht the firing barrel is on the aircraft centerline while it fires, then the barrel rotates back to the left, as stated above. It's very hard to see this in the pics of the nose in the article. However, if you loosk at this

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Over the next six years, all 356 airplanes in the inventory will be upgraded to the new mark, getting "glass cockpits" that do away with old analog instruments, and gaining state-of-the-art computer and control systems that will allow them to use the most modern and "smart" weapons.

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Last I knew, there were some A-10s being flown out of Wheeler-Sack near Fort Drum, yet I don't see any mention of it. Is it not a current positioning? I haven't been down that way much recently, so it's quite possible that they've moved them elsewhere.

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While the statement of Friendly Fire incidents is true, I don't think this belongs in this page in this manner. Something under the guise of "The A-10 has been involved in several prominent friendly fire incidents" and provide references would be

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ST. LOUIS, June 29 -- The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA) has been awarded a U.S. Air Force contract worth up to $ 2 billion between 2007 and 2018 for engineering services and the manufacturing of 242 wing sets for the Air Force's A-10 fleet. ... from

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incidents are only noteworthy in the fact that they made page 6 of the New York Times and then were, quick frankly, forgotten. I say remove the note altogether or add it for every weapon system that has caused friendly fire casualties. Thoughts?

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With the F-111, it was Secretary Robert McNamara and the DOD that pushed it. Fnnny thing is, the F-111 was supposed to replace the F-4, among many others, which was the closest thing to a joint-service multi-role fighter the US has ever had. -

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Seems like it is the same as reporting accidents with airliners. Got to cover the bad and good. The incidents could be moved out of that secion and just included in the service history chronologically. What do others think on this?

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Since the local 47th Fighter Squadron trains pilots and isn't a frontline fighting unit any longer, its 21 airplanes will likely be among the last to get the upgrades. But the thought of supercharging the airplanes excites fliers here.

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I removed the entire section (again) and will continue to do so until someone provides a credible verifiable reference. There is nothing whispering about Corsair, Beaufighter, F-111, A-10, or wherever else your fancy takes you. -

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on Junker 87; it states Rudel's book "Stuka Pilot" was required reading by the people associated with the A-X project that became the A-10. The Stuka destroyed a lot more tanks with their guns than did the, (article metioned),

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Re: "Every now and then the USAF gets the idea that one aircraft can replace many different types of planes," actually, in the case of the F-35 it was Congress and the DoD deciding to roll several programs into one.

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The new A-10C will be unveiled today at Hill Air Force Base in Utah, while the type will first fly Nov. 4 at Eglin Air Force Base, Fla., and at Nellis Air Force Base, Nev., according to a release from the Air Force.

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This site shows some A-10's that took amazing damage and made it back to base, to be repaired and returned to battle. Especially incredible is the plane with the entire leading edge of its right wing gone.

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The German Alpha Jet's landing gear are slightly offset and so is the belly mounted gun to accomodate each other ... although that gun actually fires from behind the landing gear. Its quite odd really.

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They didn't have to "wire" the missile. The AGM-65 with imagining infrared was used as a "Poor Man's FLIR (Forward Looking InfraRed)" during DESERT STORM. It wasn't a fix, it was a stop gap.

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Finally, a new computer called the central interface control unit will manage the airplane's avionics and the integrated Digital Stores Management System, or DSMS, that controls weapons.

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Gorbitz, who previously was with the 47th Fighter Squadron and has close to 1,500 flight hours in the A-10, has seen the new cockpit configuration at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz.

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Anyone who wants to re-add a claim along the lines of "The real reason" is politely requested to cite a reference. Personal knowledge is not sufficient for Knowledge (XXG). Thanks. -

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The A-10, the tough little ground-attack fighter that struck hard in combat in the Persian Gulf and other trouble hot spots this decade and last, will soon get a much-needed upgrade.

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aircraft. The IL-2 had a 23mm gun, while the A-1 had 20mm guns. The A-10 article should really metion the JU-87 G-1/G-2 Stuka and Rudel. I had added them, but they were removed.

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That book needs to be added as a reference for the Rudel paragraph. Is "Warthog" the full title? Everything I'm finding has A-10 in the title. What year was it published? -

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The A-10's downturned wing tips can be seen on close inspection of the first image (1975 one). Just wondering, how long must a wing tip before it is considered a winglet? -

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The Trivia section is a little misleading to someone who is unfamiliar with aircraft. Aircraft don't come to a standstill in midair ... they stall :-) This is due to the

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don't you think? the first one shows it in much more detail, and it is so beautiful. You can see the hardpoints, the weapons, so much more clearly than the second pic.

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Concur, plus the second one doesn't have the distracting polka dots. I agree there are better pictures than the second one, but the first pic isn't one of them! -

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The gun is offset to port (with the firing barrel, at the starboard-most position, being on the centre line). Presumably then the nosewheel is offset to starboard.

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CAS where the targets are much slower. The USAF experimented an attack version of the F-16 called the F/A-16 and its speed was 1 drawback that ended the trial. -

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A-10's have also existed much longer, which explains the fact that they exist at all. These are all only based on assumptions from what I've read, however.

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All I'm saying is that it seems out of place and is of almost no note with regards to the aircraft. In war, people die, sometimes through friendly fire.

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was supposed to replace almost all the fighters and bombers in the inventory. Of course it did not. I would not be surprised if the A-10 is like the

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wingtip devices increase the lift generated at the wingtip, and reduce the lift-induced drag caused by wingtip vortices, improving lift-to-drag ratio.

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I remember a bit on TV with a pilot telling about how they fixed the lack of night vision / radar capabilities by wiring one of the rockets that

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I understand it is a weapon and can be used in the wrong way. I don't haev any better ideas. I'll go along with anything reasonable here. -

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No, no, NO! The GUN isn't offset, the NOSE GEAR is offset. The gun is on the centerline of the aircraft. Look at the flamin' pictures!

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cannon is smaller caliber (20 mm) and is actually meant for air to air combat. Currently, they intend to replace the A-10 with the

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Does anyone have a source that the BL755 CBU was ever integrated on the A-10 other than in Hunting Engineering marketing material?

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Related links 917th Wing/47th Fighter Squadron: www.917wg.afrc.af.mil. Hill Air Force Base, Utah: www.hill.af.mil/main/index.html.

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it so, that, until firing it, they could use its night vision / radar. I'm pretty sure he was talking about either the A-10 or the

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Thanks. I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. There are parts of this article that need to be referenced better though. -

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same low-pressure center found in tornadoes and the eye of hurricanes, and this low-pressure zone induces drag through suction.--

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Obviously, as I grow older my "brain farts" are becoming more common. The A-10 has drooping wingtips, not Hoerners; they curl

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making it the main anti-tank weapon of the A-10, and led to the A-10 becoming: "The aircraft that was built around the gun".

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I have a source which refers to the A-10's wing tips as "Hoerner wingtips", a word which is listed (but not defined) in the

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I added the first one to the Operational history section. The article is getting full of images in the lower half or so. -

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They are doing upgrades to the A-10 to keep it going for several years to come. Supposed to be until 2028, as I recall. -

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of the aircraft. An A-10 would stall at about 80-90Kts, depending on the weight and configuration of the flaps. See:

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Every now and then the USAF gets the idea that one aircraft can replace many different types of planes, i.e. the

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Hey guys, there is currently little to NO citation in the criticism's section, we need to back up these claims.

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The aircraft has triple redundancy in its flight systems, with mechanical systems to back up double-redundant

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Maybe so, but your origional statement implies that the current F-16 doesn't do ground attack--which is false

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Another consideration is sturdiness. What other plane can be hurt as badly as an A-10 and keep flying?

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A-10 data sheet at Air Force Web site: www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=70. By John Andrew Prime

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Don't copy and paste whole articles. That's a copyright violation. Here's Boeing's release on this

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Not sure where that quote comes from, but the F/A-16 was specially equipped with a 30 mm cannon.

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carefully, you can see in the drawing of the underside that the gun is offest to the left. -

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systems. This permits pilots to fly and land when hydraulic power or part of a wing is lost.

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Excellent point. I added some description and reworded the KC paragraph to refer to that.

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How about "dramatically increasing the amount of force needed to operate the controls."?

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above the wing. I also forgot that wingtip vortices curl upward not downward. My bad. --

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in the background section near bottom of page, if anyone wants/knows how to add....

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I think most of this should be explained in the earlier paragraph where it says

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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the

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should be referenced. If not, it's original commentary and has no place here.

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My understanding of the function of winglets is just the opposite: that they

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Aviation Week had a nice article about this; I put in a reference to it.

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The first squadron to use the A-10 went operational in October 1977. "

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I'm not sure there was anything more than a test fitting. I checked the

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armored reconnaissance vehicles were attacked by an A-10, killing L/Cpl

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aircraft systems and targeting pod functions, the Air Force said.

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Look at the section "After the War", (WWII). The ability of the

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That will be the prime training location for the A-10C, he said.

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I've restored it - the external site is definitely a copyvio of

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It is true that the gun makes the nosewheel offset to the right

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This link may be of some interest concerning the A 10 upgrade:

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The A-10A is almost an exact counterpart to the Il-2 Stormovik.

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listing for the A-10 and there's no mention of the BL-755.

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The A-10 is still being used in Iraq... very often too!

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Out of place, to say the least. 7: 1016:Well, I found that information in 691:Warrior Infantry Fighting Vehicles 556:http://www.pats-world.com/gulfwar/ 24: 1024:it is the second one I believe.-- 167:Updated A-10 to be unveiled today 1394: 1384: 532: 29: 1380:What's wrong with this picture? 804:Got it. 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