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Monster wall and the right field roof. Congestion was lessened inside the park by relocating turnstiles to incorporate Jersey Street to be an "inside the park" street, converted a batting cage into a restaurant and bar, and moved dumpsters and television trucks to make space for a food court, picnic area, wider concourses, and new restrooms. The sentence should read: The right field roof was reinforced in 2004 and specialty seating and a bar were constructed to create a social space overlooking the field.
596:"The Friendly Confines" is a phrase coined by Ernie Banks, which has grown into a marketing hype of its own (following up on "Beautiful Wrigley Field", which was an "official" team slogan used for ads in the 40s, 50s and 60s), yet I have seldom heard actual Cubs fans call it that, so maybe it's about as equally "valid" as the Red Sox's claim. It's about as valid as calling the Braves "America's Team", when in reality, the Yankees probably have more fans than any other ball club. Meanwhile, I expect what most Boston fans call Fenway is "the ballpahk".
892:. In the last sentence, it states, "Some experts feel that these unique aspects of Fenway give the Red Sox an advantage over their opponents". If this is from the George WIll book, then fine, though it needs to be clarified this is his opinion. If it's not from his book, then we need to know which experts said this, and where they said it. This is Knowledge (XXG) POLICY, not a guideline, and ignoring this can be grounds for administrative action. So please, go easy on those of us trying to follow policy, and we'll try to go easy on the newbies. -
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else who agrees with me will take a look at this and respond because lately unsourced statements about McCartney keep popping up. Having the section trimmed to
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that "Their future is ahead of them!" Meanwhile, if you don't think the shock of
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1493:. The article is not biased and the statement by the user concerning the words "good" and "fair" are false. The word fair is used once, to describe the waving by Carlton Fisk in the 1975 WS Game Six walkoff homer. The word good is used three times, once in a quote by George Will, once citing the film
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Some busybody just removed my description of the distorted Fenway outfield as "original research". Give me a break. Anyone who knows anything can easily see that the Fenway outfield is screwed, that the left field is half gone while right field and right center are vast. I don't engage in disputes
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Congrats Sox on the 2007 championship. Can someone provide a definitive ruling on the number of times Fenway has hosted the WS? I count nine (8 featuring the Sox and 1 featuring the Braves). From what I've been able to find, the 2 other Sox WS appearances (1915, 1916) were played at Braves Field, due
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Please delete the sentence "In 2005, the Red Sox ownership group announced that the team would stay at Fenway Park indefinitely. The stadium has since been renovated" as the information is covered in the two previous paragraphs. Please finish this section with the sentence for more relevant details:
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This is a distinction Fenway shared with Tiger
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Regarding the latest edits, BaseballBugs, you need to again tone down the attitude. Adding a fact or vs tag to an entry isn't a condemnation of the material or a punishment of any type, it's simply a note that something needs to be done. In this case, the fact tag, as I'm sure you've noticed, simply
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ran the headline, "BULL'S EYE! WILLIAMS KNOCKS SENSE INTO YANKEES FAN!" It always got a laugh, but I've never gone to the library to verify this headline, and don't really want to. It's a fun joke, but I'm not willing to give it more credence than that. I knew I was straddling a line between fact
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First, the pole was miked for the TV audience, it is not piped into the stadium to my knowlege and typically is not miked during the season. Second, the sound was extraordinary only at the time people were watching the game, I highly doubt that you could find many people who even remember the sound
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Coverage of "sellouts" will benefit from defining or at least commenting on "attendance capacity". Does anyone know how sellouts are defined with respect to obstructed view, standing room, and wheelchair tickets? (I don't know or mean that those are three classes. I have used a standing room ticket
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The section called "non-sporting events" needs to be reviewed and rewritten, otherwise it simply becomes a list of every artist the team decides to invite each summer. The re-introduction of concerts in 2003 with
Springsteen is somewhat notable then after that it becomes trivia. I am hoping someone
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I remember it well. I think it was Dick
Stockton who made the call on TV: "If it stays fair it's gone! ... Home run!" It would be considerably more memorable if it had been Game 7. My favorite moment from Game 7 (which was a bummer otherwise) was when Curt Gowdy made the statement about the Red Sox
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I tagged the article for a neutrality check as there seemed to be some editorialisation in various places as terms like "good" and "fair" (and not only in terms like "fair ball") were being used. An objective article doesn't need judgment terms unless it can be documented that the team, or similar
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The cited source makes no such claim, and your comparing measurements is not only "analysis", which is against wikipedia rules, but is also questionable analysis on its face, as the real analysis would be the total square footage of the playing field, which is not discussed in the citation at all.
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In the Info Box it says on top "The Fens". This a nickname for the area surrounding the Muddy River and the wetlands that have been filled in. I have never heard Fenway described as "The Fens". The other line "America's Most
Beloved Ballpark" is just recent cheesy marketing but I guess the sign is
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You tone down your attitude, and I'll tone down mine. If you want, I will give you not just the page (which is already there), but the line numbers on the pages. "Citation needed" is not used when the citation is not formatted the way you want it, it's used when there is no citation at all. If you
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Thank you for the response to my inquiry. In the short section that I originally added entitled "What the
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I just added a reference to support the nickname of "America's Most
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name for it. In any case, the last time the Red Sox had beaten the Yankees when it really counted was 1904, so it's clear that the Red Sox get the best of the Yankees at least once per century. Thus, fans of the Yankees have a long memory in a good way (26 championships or whatever it is), whereas
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I put a ref to the Boston Globe article that says it's Fisk Pole. The Globe is a pretty common standard for New England sports info. The Google test isn't very helpful; 276 for "Fisk pole", 444 for "Fisk's pole", 278 for "Pudge pole", and 198 for "Pudge's pole". They're all too close to really be
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There are always ways around that sort of thing, for example by threatening to simply abandon Fenway and go play elsewhere. A more important question might be to ask why there is a history of seating capacity changes (recent history, anyway) in the infobox. The infobox really should only contain
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After the first edit, please create a separate paragraph for the following to add more detail: In 2002, John Henry, Tom Werner and Larry Lucchino purchased the club and Fenway Park. They announced that the team would stay at Fenway Park indefinitely. They renovated the ballpark by incorporating
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50 to 47 in a hard fought match with 27,776 in attendance. In the 2017 edition of the event, a three match tournament was held. In the first semi-final, a rematch between reigning All-Ireland Champions Galway and Dublin played out in a similar fashion the game held two years prior as Galway won
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The template about the New York Times company and its corporate information at the bottom is a little weird. (There is no reference in the text of the article that the Times Co. owns part of the park or the Red Sox.) Even weirder is that another asset of the the Times Company listed is "Metro
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I daresay all of them are press inventions. I'm not trying to say they aren't legitimate, just that the fans don't likely talk about them that much, it's just part of the "lore". Babe Ruth's pals all called him "George" or some variation, but he was still "Babe" to the public. I imagine Red Sox
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tags to the George Will section that is after the direct quotes, as I'm unclear on whether these are actually in the book. I'm working on citignt the section properly, but it would be helpful if Bugs would stop removing the ref tags from the hyperlinks. You had asked me earler if everything in
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In the Seating Capacity Section, the following appears: "There have been proposals to increase the seating capacity to as much as 45,000 through the expansion of the upper decks, while others (notably former team owners, the JRY Trust) have called for razing the historic ballpark entirely and
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As far as I know, every Major League park permits cameras, as long as you're not recording and/or re-broadcasting the game. If you're just taking souvenir-type shots for yourself, you're fine. Don't bring tripods or bulky stuff, but I don't think you'll have a problem. I was just there last
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Congestion was lessened inside the park by relocating turnstiles to incorporate Jersey Street to be an "inside the park" street, converted a batting cage into a restaurant and bar, and moved dumpsters and television trucks to make space for a food court, picnic area, wider concourses, and new
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I had overlooked that, and the deleter had either overlooked it or ignored it. I put it back with the citation up front (an expert can reformat the citation if he wants to). Someone then slapped "fact" tags on it, which is absurd as the quote is straight from the book, which I have a copy of.
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weekend, and they didn't say anything about mine. Also, if you get there early, you'll have a better shot at getting access to the lower levels near the field. Close to game time, and during, the ushers get pretty strict about needing a ticket to be down in those sections. Have fun. --
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Well, that raises the next question - does anybody beside the press call it the "Pesky pole"? The average fan would be about the age of Pesky's grandchildren. For that matter, I'm sure a lot of them don't recall Game 6 in 1975 either, although they would have seen it on video many times.
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There's already a diagram in the article that illustrates the irregular nature of the block. You tried to post some spam websites which probably did not help your case any. It's sufficient to point out that the block is asymmetrical, which summarizes the visual evidence in the diagram.
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especially of Red Sox fans. Thirdly, I did hear the sound and I don't think that the sound was very special. Fourth, just because some TV announcer said that its the worst sound he's heard (which I highly doubt) does not hold water for being an important feature/event of Fenway Park.
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As I said I would in the previous post, I went to Fenway and got losts of great photos... the best of which I uploaded to Flickr, www.flickr.com/photos/aido2002, with a CC Artibution-Share Alike liscense. Feel free to look at hem, upload those I haven't, but be sure to atribute me. :)
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Sorry, I missed that your comment linked to elsewhere... The article is one discussing Fenway's 100th anniversary, where it would be natural to quote its slogan (and the quotation marks indicate that it is a quote, rather than a colloquial nickname generally used by the team's fans).
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Hello, I have removed the trivia tag from the "Fenway Park in Films" section. This section is not trivia; it is merely a list of the movies and television shows the park has featured in. In truth, there really is no way to mix in these facts throughout the article as the tag asks.
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You are correct, but I do not think the information about the sound of the pole is interesting. I also do not think others, except you, think it is a notable fact. Merely using the words of Tim McCarver to give your opinion more "credibility" does not make it an interesting fact.
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Hi... does anyone know if they allow you to bring a camera into Fenway? I've got an 8mpx camera, and I'll be going there soon, and, if I can, will take pictures and upload them here. But I don't want to waste time having to bring it back to the hotel and then miss the 1st inning...
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Does this mean professional or major league? If professional, but there are older U.S. collegiate venues and Canadian professional venues, it will be good to note that. And otherwise good to expand the scope: oldest U.S. sports venue, oldest North American pro sports venue, etc.
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in a very close contest with Clare winning 50 to 45. In the final match of the tournament, Galway and Clare faced off for the Players Champions Cup. Clare ran away with the title, winning the Fenway Hurling Classic final with a final score of 50 to 33." - Already in section
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I can't comment on what the locals say (I'm a New Yorker) but I've always heard it referred to as such. It's certainly more notable than "Williamsburg", "the Belly", or "Duffy's cliff". I think the name transcends age, though; Sox fans, like Yankee fans, have a long memory.
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that was available for walk-up sale only because the designated number of spaces for wheelchairs were not purchased. At the time, before the streak, there were marked spaces on the floor for wheelchair parking but ambulatory fans could stand elsewhere with the same ticket.)
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page on the scoreboard, as I was looking for information on that and it is not mentioned in the wikipedia page. Also added a link to it on the Fenway page. I think the link and scoreboard sentences still need some clean up but I did not want to change the original too
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I just added a bit about the odd shape of thw whole outfield in Fenway, but an overhead shot or diagram would show the distortions much better than words. It really looks like someone chopped off most of left field and plopped it down between center and right field.
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anyone can find anything a bit more official than the one I listed, feel free - the phrase is used multiple times on the Red Sox official site, but it's not really an official statement of "this is the nickname of the park" anywhere. Seems good enough to me, though. —
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The pitcher’s plate shall be a rectangular slab of whitened rubber, 24 inches by 6 inches. It shall be set in the ground as shown in Diagrams 1 and 2, so that the distance between the pitcher’s plate and home base (the rear point of home plate) shall be 60 feet, 6
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Please know that Fenway Park and the Boston Red Sox are owned by New England Sports Ventures (NESV). NESV owns the ballpark and the team as well as Fenway Sports Group (FSG) and 80% of New England Sports Network (NESN). Ownership was incorrectly listed as FSG.
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added a long list of seating capacities over the years. However, it seems unusual that the capacity would change from year to year by such minor amounts. Can someone with access to a definitive source, such as the team's media guides, verify this information?
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I have not been able to locate any independent sources that this phrase is used as a nickname for the park (as opposed to a marketing term). Please provide any references you have. (On the face of it, it seems like a rather long nickname for anyone to use.)
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I think it's inappropriate to refer to Dodger Stadium as a classic ballpark. Wrigley and Fenway, for sure. But Dodger Stadium was built without support pillars, it's outfield distances are symmetrical and it's surrounded by acres of parking lots.
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In the paragraph about the pole it states that in the 12th inning of Game 6 of the 1975 World Series against the Reds, Fisk hit a pitch down the left field line. "Fisk ... famously jumped and waved his arms as if to somehow will the ball fair. It
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Will does not, in fact, make the argument that Fenway is an advantage to the Red Sox, but rather the opposite. Will also provides support for the view that Wrigley Field is one of the culprits behind the Cubs' failure to win. Thank you, George!
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Thus, the pole is named in memory of an important Red Sox who was involved in a memorable TV and photographic moment when the game was tied and the Red Sox needed to win the game to send it to Game 7. I hope that clears things up for you.
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Seems like there are two camps: The "isn't that nice" group, and the "that's retarded and there's no way I'm calling it that" group. It will take some time for it to fully catch on, but I'm sure it took time with Pesky's pole, too.
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This article will benefit from covering the reception or profitability of new ballparks in 1909 and 1910, if that can be done. --or the local opinion or unprofitability of previous ballparks (too many fires?), if that can be done.
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As a former tour guide at Fenway, I have to agree with the previous statement. The Boucher story would vary slightly from tour guide to tour guide, but would always end with the same punchline: the next day, the
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There's very little outside what's already covered here in the Fenway Park article that necessitates a spin-off article. Suggest whatever is unique and truly notable is simply merged into the main article.
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The IP put it back without answering the above questions, and I took it away again. Until the IP gives specific reasons, and not the bogus complaints you cited, I'm treating any such tagging as vandalism.
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Does anyone know which one it actually is, if either? Also, I have to wonder about how Pesky and Fisk feel about the public constantly talking about their "poles". Seems kind of crude, if you ask me. d:)
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This season is Fenway's 95th birthday; are the Red Sox doing anything special this season to celebrate it (like a special commerative logo) or are they saving all that hoopla for its centennial in 2012?
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special about Fenway. On pages 58-59, it shows a sign out front that makes that statement. That's from 2007. Whether anyone outside of Red Sox Nation concurs with this is another matter. ←
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Why are there two different capacities for night games versus day games? Can anyone explain this to me? Also, if an explanation does not already exist in the article could we put one in?
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That is part of a story that is told to people while on the fenway park tour when they explain the lone red seat in the bleachers so i am not sure how much of the story is true if at all
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If this is true how could Fisk's & Bellhorn's home runs be fair? Normally, foul poles are inside fair territory and therefore a ball that hits them is fair. Is Fenway different?
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Dodger stadium was built mid-century; "classic" ballparks were built in a time that reflects the golden age of professional baseball which concluded before the dodgers moved to LA.
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I've always heard that Boucher, a construction engineer from Albany, switched allegiance from the Yankees to the Red Sox after Williams hit him in the head? Can this be verified?
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Regarding the statement as follows: "it has been the oldest venue used by a professional sports team in the United States since the 1991 demolition of Comiskey Park in Chicago."
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I know this is a long since past issue, but Fenway Park is on the National Register of Historic places, and as such requires appropriate approval before alterations can be made.
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the Red Sox and thought the sound was awesome. Meanwhile, although "Pesky's Pole" is a part of Fenway lore, I challenge you to show me the poll (!) numbers on how many think "
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On Pardon the Interruption on Friday, November 7, Bob Ryan indicated that the Red Sox were going to expand the capacity by 560 seats. Anyone have more info on this?
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the memories of Red Sox fans (and also Cubs fans, like me) are long in a way similar to that of citizens of the Confederacy... would like to forget, but just can't!
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Doing some research, there are a few instances of balls hitting the ladder that lead to inside-the-park home runs. There is no such thing as a ground rule triple.
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As a Fenway Frequenter, I know no one calls them the "Budweiser" Seats. They are called "Right Field Roof" on the tickets, on the website and by the fans.
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not change anything on the page until I get it okayed with someone. Also, I open to it being edited. Please let me know about this. Thanks, Relax777.
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Thanks a lot. I have to get there at least two hours early, to pick up my tickets, so I'll be be able to get plenty of great shots.
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