Talk:Ferguson unrest/Archive 2

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credible sources, especially when considering the information they are being used to convey. In fact, these references appear to be trying to paint the police officers involved in a negative light. In general, I would also question whether or not this article is in fact the neutral source it is intended to be. I say this because nearly all of the sources used in this article are from online newspapers or media sites that appear to be presenting information with a certain political agenda. Many of the sources used are from more liberal media outlets such as CNN and the Huffington Post. While obviously it would be unwise/unfair to discredit all of the information from these sources, I think the article would gain more credibility if the article included sources from across the entire ideological spectrum - if not from more independent and credible sources. Also, one could look into obtaining the police reports from the incidents (both the rioting and shooting) as well as any credible eye witness testimonies regarding the shooting. This would paint a clearer picture of what might have happened on the day of the shooting; furthermore, it could shed light on any inconsistencies regarding the incident. Ultimately, finding these inconsistencies through credible sources is crucial to understanding what exactly happened in Ferguson and explaining the subsequent unrest stemming from the shooting.

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article is going to cover the misconduct of the police officers it should also cover the conduct of the protesters, as well as the actions that perhaps provoked the misconduct from the police officers. After all, some of the protesters were acting in a way that was not conducive to getting their point across. As we all understand, the unwarranted death of any individual is, indeed, a tragedy. However, this does not justify some of the actions that were taken by a few protesters - if anything, it only made matters worse at such a divisive time. Nonetheless, the actions of the protesters (both peaceful and hostile) should be more thoroughly covered in this story. This way people will know that the article is presenting the incident in a truly neutral light, and thus, make come to their own conscientious conclusion on the matter.

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man, by a white police officer was racially motivated" or something similarly awkward, when we could just include the descriptors and just have "Brown's family said that the shooting of their son was racially motivated." I'm not actually suggesting that particular sentence, mind (they weren't the only ones who made said claims, and we obviously need to be careful to remain neutral and impartial here and not even imply anything about his motive which the grand jury didn't find evidence of) but it is really weird that right now, the article doesn't really say something about this.

562:"who asserted that what happened in Ferguson could never happen in Germany". This is completely mis-translated and taken out of context. What he says in the German article on "Spiegel Online" is that "The police quickly resorts to military methods (in context to handling the demonstrations) and that would never be the case in Germany". Later down in the interview he says again "The police in Germany would never handle the demonstrations like that (in Ferguson). In regards to using rubber bullets and general use of weapons." 31: 2293:. That was by far a bigger, more serious and intense event with many deaths and injuries. It also occurred over a much shorter period of time. In Ferguson, while there certainly have been periods of riot-like actions, there have also be non-riot actions. And "protests" seems a little narrow. Considering the whole, calling it "unrest" is fine in my opinion. It encompasses everything reasonably well. – 620:

governmental offices in the area, including schools, libraries, and the like, some of which were announced on Monday before the press conference, might also be worth mentioning. I can try to find local sources for these marginally related matters if the rest of you think it worth including in the article. Luckily, at least today, some of the boards along South Grand seem to be coming down.

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activity, but those were not note worthy. If there was an article about a bank robbery you would not go out of your way to point out people made legal withdrawals from the bank that day. Its safe to say people will try to excuse and justify violence as a "protest" and that should be insulting to anyone engaged in peaceful protests.

2605:, while I agree this article needs a change in name and focus, much like Arab Spring was once to Tunisia as it now encompasses much of the Eastern Hemispere, only a small percentage of the protests have been riots (violent disturbances in a crowd). So I would argue that's a bad title, and something along the lines of 1235:

stop. This seems to be written as if it was evidence of racism. Does this really suggest a racial bias? The study says that the ratio of black to white arrests is roughly equal to the ratio of black to white people, making the likelihood of any individual roughly equal regardless of race. Just where is the bias?

3624:"Myers' family and friends insist he did not have a gun… Berhe Beyene, who works at the market, said he sold Myers a $ 2.99 sandwich moments before the teen died… Hollis and several family members stood inside Shaw Market watching video from the store's surveillance cameras showing the last moments of Myers' life…" 3807:

I mean there's even an extensive froth of vitriol from North Korea; I QUOTE: "North Korea - called the United States a "human rights graveyard," the "laughingstock of the world," and "a country wantonly violating the human rights where people are subject to discrimination and humiliation due to their

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Sounds like a plan... I'd suggest stating what the unrest was about in the title. In Hebrew I've created the aritvle and later changed the title to something like "2014 US Race Unrest" (then there were disputes about the title since the english wiki is too slow in make that change, so we split it to

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No! Some of these demonstrations were not riotous... some peaceful demonstrators were in the fray of non-peaceful demonstrators. Some were riotous. Some were not. The term "unrest" is an all-inclusive term that allots for both violent and non-violent behavior. Also, Proximity to criminal actively

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So in that case, why is the Chris Brown shooting related? Many of these are rioters looting the stores for their own self-interest, nothing to do with the Brown case, so why link that? What about the protests in St Louis about this man who was coincidentally murdered by 3 black youths right as these

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There are too many subsections. "August 2014" is a little too large; so may be "September 2014". The year 2015 is coming. I want 2014 events to be condensed into "2014" section. Also, "Related incidents" and "Related developments" sections should have no subsections. They are too distracting to edit.

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This article is about the protests and unrest that followed the shooting, not about the shooting itself. It contains only a summary of the events that led to the protests. For the article that discusses in-depth the shooting and reaction to it, including information about the surveillance video you

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On another note, is it really best to describe the legal system as burdening the "poor AND BLACK" population? I see how the system may be a heavy burden on the poor, but I don't see any significant effect on the black population except indirectly if the black population is mostly poor. Even if this

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To be honest people use the arab spring comparison too much. There is unrest but it is incredibly far away from being anywhere near the arab spring and in any realistic sense, it won't be like the arab spring or anywhere close to it. Its an ongoing issue, not a trigger event that will see millions of

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lists that as only one of multiple possibilities. It's pretty misleading. I'd also include in an article the reports of police changing their story, saying Myers jumped out of some bushes and later recanting after word got around that there weren't any bushes on the scene. I remember that being a big

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As someone who lives in the general area, I think it might be worth noting, somewhere, some of the reaction outside of the city of Ferguson itself. This includes the designation of several "safe zones" (so far as I can see generally churches) in the metro area for people who might have been afraid of

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because, in the end, there was nothing which indicated that their race had anything to do with it and it might imply that it did. On the other hand, it is a valid physical descriptor, and would avoid us having to repeat something like "Brown's family said that the shooting of their son, a young black

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Right now (As of Nov 27 2014) the statistics/fact box near the top right of the article says the total number of injured is "two protesters and four police". A grand total of "six" people injured after WEEKS of rioting? Seriously??? I've been to Girl Guide tea parties with a higher casualty rate than

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It's obvious which way this article leans. If a photo of a cop with a gun pointing at the camera can be included, so should photos of the rioters. I've seen the video of the police officer photographed. That occurred very quickly, within 2 seconds, another officer grabbed him and straightened him

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Case in point the term "unrest" does not have to mean violence. There is an OR in the definition... And I shall quote from the dictionary mentioned above directly to show the point: "a situation in which many of the people in a country are angry and hold protests OR act violently" {emphasis added}

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There were riots in Ferguson, but also many peaceful protests. Just Google "Ferguson protests" and compare (Ferguson protests: 7.7 million; Ferguson riots: 3.3 million; Ferguson unrest 1.2 million) . For now, I think that "Ferguson unrest" is probably the best option, unless we can find consensus to

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I saw in the "Racial Context" section of this article two points: first, the population of Ferguson is two thirds black and one third white; second, a previous investigation said that the Ferguson police before Brown were twice as likely to arrest an African American than a white person at a traffic

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IMHO these sources you give are not adequately reliable, primarily because I cannot tell where the authors of these periodicals got there information from {<Yes, for you linguistic majors, I know that is not a proper sentence...} There is no way to fact check. These sources do not aid the editor

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Right now, this article fails to mention that Brown was black and Wilson is white. I'm pretty unhappy having to be the guy who says this, because, frankly, I don't like it, but we really, really need to talk about this fact as allegations of racist intent by people in Ferguson, Brown's family, and a

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While I believe this event was a horrific tragedy, one must not lose sight of the fact that this article should not be implicitly infused with bias. For one, the sources of the article are questionable to say the least; this is clearly seen when examining notes 84, 85, and 90. These sources are not

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I'm not even sure why this is a debate. Unrest is linguistically appropriate, and there is no semblance of negation of illegal activity in the usage of that word, except by the misinterpretation of the word's meaning by the reader... "unrest" allows for BOTH violent and non-violent, for both legal

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I don't think that's obvious at all, and unless a reliable source states so, we should not link the events. The Bevo Mill neighborhood where Zemir Begic was beaten and killed with hammer/s has seen violent incidents before that involve Bosnians and other minorities, including several that resulted

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Although the 'summary' does mention that Brown was a suspect of a robbery, it leaves ambigiouty on whether he actually comitted it. For an article this long with lots of unrelated garbage, I see no reason not to clear it up, especially that the release of the video along with comments and reactions

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Missouri Penal Code section 574 defines "unlawful assembly" and "rioting" as six or more people who assemble and agree to violate the criminal laws of Missouri or the United States. These are misdemeanors. There are additional categories for rioting related to racial discrimination, which impose a

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There are thousands of protests across the country every day if not more. Yes there were related protest in Ferguson, I imagine someone was protesting something in Ferguson every day for the last 10 yes. These "unrests" were noteworthy because of the criminal riots. I guess we can include protest

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In addition to the article lacking both credible and independent resources, the article seems to offer extensive information on only the actions of the police officers; there is little coverage over the actions of the protesters. Instead, there are very brief sections that discuss looting. If the

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When i was reading the section about the incident between Michael Brown and Darren Wilson, it says fist that Wilson stopped Brown becuase he 'matched the description of a suspect in a robbery around the corner.' It then goes on to say that when Wilson stopped Brown, he was unaware of the robbery.

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The timing of the verdicts from both the Ferguson and NYC grand juries has sparked much unrest throughout the country, including in my small town. I'm starting to wonder, would it make sense to create an umbrella article that unifies both this unrest, as well as that of the death of Eric Garner?

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Under the section "Fatal shooting of Michael Brown" in the first sentence of the second paragraph there is a reference to "the Rashomon effect" which links to a vanity page containing original research about a made-up effect that would not be relevant even if it existed. This reference should be

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As of now there has been no rioting in ferguson after the decision except for on the night of the announcement and in the few days after. There has been no rioting anywhere else except for a little rioting in Berkeley which shouldn't be called race rioting considering that the majority of those

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There may be a lot of bad apples, but there is a very clear distinction between otherwise law-abiding people exercising their constitutional right to assemble and those who are just being opportunistic criminals. If you paint both with the same brush, you abrogate the freedom of assembly with a

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I was the one who inserted the reference to it, and I felt it was appropriate because it was a major part of what lead to the unrest - the inconsistent, contradictory and in some cases outright false claims of eyewitnesses and people who falsely claimed to be eyewitnesses and later recanted was

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to allow discussion of the alternative proposal, and while it's normal to leave that call to potential closers it's sometimes good for others to do it and it's not forbidden AFAIK or even actively discouraged in my experience. My belief is that the alternative proposed here is unlikely to gain

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We really need more images of the looting/rioting, if we can get our paws on them. We have a disproportionate number of pictures of police officers, some of them just standing around. I'm also not sure that the tear gas picture is the best one for the article lead (though I definitely think it

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I agree. All three references to the first sentence in the "Fatal shooting of Michael Brown" section mention race, so I have changed this sentence to read: "Michael Brown, an 18-year-old black male, was shot to death after an altercation with Darren Wilson, a 28-year-old white Ferguson police

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the boarding up of virtually all the large street-facing storefront windows of the various businesses there. Most of the boards have images and slogans promoting peace, harmony, and such, or otherwise trying to dissuade potential window breakers and looters. The closing of several non-vital

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I agree that the section should be significantly shortened. But among the tendentiously bizarre (North Korea, mayhaps) there are important external observations. If one looks at other articles about incidents of domestic civil unrest, they will generally find external criticism from foreign

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number of prominent people are pretty much what caused the unrest in the first place. But I'm not sure what the best way of integrating this information into the article is. I was thinking "Oh, we can note it in the section of their descriptions" but on the other hand that might violate

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They would also have to show that his motive for hitting the protesters had to do with the protest or some other reason relating to ferguson, if he just drove through them because he was angry they were blocking traffic then it doesn't relate to this article even if he was arrested. -

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You've only objected to specific text from North Korea, on the grounds that you think it is BS. Apparently the North Koreans don't feel that way, and I think their views are more important than you, a random person on the internet. Let us know if you have any other specific concerns.

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objected and restored the material. Personally, I thought the removal was an improvement. I would like to get other editor's thoughts on whether this content is relevant to the subject (Ferguson unrest) and whether it meets the standard of being a reasonable encyclopedic summary per

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does not preclude aiding and abetting. Although Knowledge editors are anonymous they are cautious of using plausible defamatory terminology with the understanding that there were booth peaceful and non-peaceful demonstrators. The term is satisfactorily appropriate for that usage.

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Also, "weasel wording" refers to the tricky use of language to elevate a vague or unsupported statement so that it sounds like a serious claim. That's the opposite of what's being done here, which is to use language in a straightforward way to indicate that a statement actually

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Ok, but I was trying to be tactful when I said it was better written and better sourced in the other article. Actually it wasn't sourced at all here, and something like that clearly should be. It also includes attribution in the other article, which I feel is somewhat important.

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I feel that international reaction is relevant enough that it shouldn't be eliminated completely, and ~360 words doesn't seem excessive for the entire world outside of the U.S. France gets significantly more space, and maybe that could be trimmed. North Korea could be considered

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I decided to take a look at this article and the very first item I checked was an egregious instance of source misrepresentation. This edit was problematic in a number of ways. First, there aren't any "others" who said Myers was only holding a sandwich, and there weren't even

2705:. In prose, this would essentially be the same list, but using blank lines instead of bullets for delimiters. This would result in a long series of short paragraphs, many of them just one sentence. I think the bullets work better for this purpose. I was tempted to revert per 1039:

People have been protesting excessive police violence for many years. This is not something that started with Ferguson. Remember Rodney King? Remember the police blasting blacks with fire hoses in the 60s? It's more an ongoing social issue than some sort of event.

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So you stand by your weasel-word, and maintain that Hollis, who saw a video of the incident, did not witness it. You also haven't addressed the fact that your edit to the article obscures the source, making it seem as though only Hollis said Myer was unarmed.

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That's not the issue, the issue is whether Wilson knew Brown was involved in the robbery. I agree he knew about the robbery, but whether he suspected Brown is I feel still up for debate. That said I'm fine with the original shooting section as it stands now.

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In any event the current prose gives a very pushy description, calls the guy "a minority" and dwells pretty extensively on his criminal history and how its revelation led to his firing. It really has practically nothing to do with the Ferguson unrest.

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different standard for protests related to race issues. Saying it is "criminal rioting" is inflammatory, and can at most be called "alleged rioting" (if 'rioting' is meant as a crime) until there are specific incidents of people convicted for rioting.

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I was referring to the fact that the article is about more than riots, including peaceful protests. The word "unrest" does a good job of encompassing all of it, as per the linked dictionary definition above. That's about all I have to say about this.

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I removed the note from the article; it doesn't seem like it is independently notable at this point and there seems to be little interest in creating an article about it. We can always revisit it at a later date should it prove more noteworthy.

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There are four citations attached to the sentence in the first section here that states that Brown was a robbery suspect. If readers want to find out what and how credible the evidence of this was, they can review the sources. We are not

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Since the police have not arrested him, we have to assume (for now) they do not regard it as an attack and have some other theory as to the cause, so no, it isn't notable in relation to this article. If they arrest him, that could change.

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belongs in the article, as the tear gas thing was commented on a fair bit); I think that we should use something from the worst rioting incident when all the buildings were burning, as that was the worst of it according to media reports.

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were released a few weeks ago and show that Officer Wilson was informed about the robbery, given a description of the suspects, and even asked the other officers if they needed help with the incident prior to his altercation with Brown.

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to change "2014" to "2014—2015". To date, three users have proposed removing the year instead, which is enough to justify this request for move. Feel free to add to the earlier discussion, but please limit your participation here to a

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looks at the number of arrests relative to the number of stops (36 arrests from 686 stops for whites for a 5.2% chance of arrest, 483 arrests from 4632 stops for blacks for a 10.4% chance). The numbers are analyzed more thoroughly in

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I don't see any need for restructuring at this stage. Some sections are longer than others because there were more events and incidents reported during these months. Related incidents and Related developments could be combined. -

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The main problem is that it is really about everything - rioting, protests, civil disobedience, and other criminal and non-criminal behavior. I'm not opposed to referring to the 2014 Ferguson Riots, but I'm not sure if that's the

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say it is. You are invited to learn something about how Knowledge works before making demands as to its content. Toward that end I have placed a standard welcome message on your user talk page. It contains links to good reading.

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Another racial attack with the stabbing of a white jew in New York by a black man, like Zemir Begic authorities were quick to not call it a hate crime, but New York is the site of the Eric Garner riots. It is clearly related.

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article, and that is what we have explained. So far, no authority has proposed a direct connection (other than proximity in place and time) between the Begic killing and these events, and a number have denied any connection

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Contained here on PG 110 of the DOJ's After Action Assessment (PG 134 of PDF), 39 officers were injured in Ferguson between august 9th and august 25th of 2014 alone. A far cry more than the 6 currently listed on the page.

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The guy received practically no coverage at all, and IMHO he doesn't belong in this article. Yes, although BLP1E explicitly refers to having stand-alone articles about otherwise non-notable people, but it's an extension of

444:. It doesn't mention him by name or go into other details because at this time there has been no determination that this homicide is related to the protests, arson and other activities that are the subject of this article. 3417:

BLP1E doesn't really apply, since the article is not about him, but I'd be fine with anonymizing it more (and merging to elsewhere in the article rather than a section?), or perhaps even removing all together under the

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of the events. I'm not sure if they really HAVE a common name; that being said, "Ferguson riots" gets far more hits than "Ferguson unrest", but I don't know that I am for changing it for the reasons I articulated.

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is the case though, it shouldn't be implied that the system is targeting black people simply because it's heavy on the poor. Poverty is not a racial characteristic, and it hits just as hard regardless of race.

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Seems like Myers is not worth a standalone article, but should be listed as one of the related incidents. We should also include the most up to date info about that incident regarding the gunpowder residue etc.

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I think I'm a fair wordsmith and I can't think of anything better. Guidelines say we needn't qualify it unless it's ambiguous in its current form. Is there something else that could be called Ferguson unrest?

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Making multiple exaggerations of what the source says is a problem all by itself, as is giving weight to this questionable witness statement; and use of a sentence structure that makes it sound like there are

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in that separate but similar events set off protests in the early days of their countries' uprisings. I am not sure as to how popular this idea may be, however I felt I would feel remised not to bring it up.

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I would support a renaming as suggested above of "2014 Ferguson Protests". That is a clear and descriptive title that includes all modes of protest while not minimizing the illegal actions of the rioters.

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top of a hill about 220 yards directly across from the station, came just hours after the Ferguson police chief, Thomas Jackson, announced that he would resign, a move greeted with praise from protesters.

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about a different incident. This is pretty common. We could say "Brown allegedly robbed a nearby convenience store" or "Brown was a suspect in a robbery of a nearby store"; same deal, different wording.

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Centrify your "correction" only made things worse: you introduced the weasel word "claim", casting editorial doubt on the Hollis' statement. You also ignored source text that contradicts your changes:

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Today in minnesota a hit and run driver plowed through a crowd of Michael Brown protesters. The police are claiming he is a victim and have not arrested him. One of the girls he ran over was a minor

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Hi there, I take it you're not aware that North Korean state media is controlled by totalitarian government censors? It has little to do with how "the North Koreans" feel about any given subject.

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It has been mentioned that the arson and looting of Ferguson will depress land values and make it hard for properties to be insured now. The photos of the fires and looters should be included.

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One death can arguably be attributed to an accidental self shooting with a firearm bought in response to the rioting, although I'm not sure if that's relevant enough to include in the article.

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Mention of the Rashomon effect is legitimate, but it is not particularly relevant in this article, which is not about the shooting. The mention is better written and better sourced in

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North Korea is a dictatorship - like almost every country in the Middle East, including plenty of U.S. allies. I'm not sure what your point is - their positions are still notable. -

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in deaths. St. Louis is a big city with all the problems that come with it. Not every death within a 10 mile radius of its suburb Ferguson has anything to do with Michael Brown.

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Mr. Head apologizing is new information, but footnotes 200 & 201 have same source and just the words of the stepfather in addition which are duplicated in the timelime section.

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Despite that, I feel the name still could use some work. Maybe 'Ferguson unrest following shooting of Michael Brown'? Or maybe some wordsmith can come up with something better. ―

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protesters dwindled to around 100, if not fewer. They stood on the east side of South Florissant Road, while the police held their line on the west side, in front of the station.

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no matter what the dates are. There is only one series of events referred to as "Ferguson unrest" and this article deals with it. No need for superfluous info in the title. —

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As far as allegedly goes - when we say that someone is a "suspect in blah" we don't need to add "alleged", because that's what "suspect" means. For an unrelated example, see

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Seems worth mentioning these two murders which were widely reported as inspired by Ferguson protests and/or allegedly committed as revenge for the killing of Michael Brown.

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committing the crimes there as recorded were white. We should be careful before calling any of these protests race riots or any of the riots nationwide as they aren't. -

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Secondarily, this article should not be about getting "hits" or buzzworthiness. This is an encyclopedia, not TMZ. There is a fine art to make the distinction between

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/private-autopsy-suggests-vonderrit-myers-was-shot-while-fleeing-st/article_ab007919-9bf9-50e2-8dd2-8f5b45088440.html

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The article sweeps under the carpet the fact we have a Surveillance Video that shows Brown robbing the store, using force against the staff. Where's the neutrality? -

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These are images from non-free sources. If you want photos included these need to be on the public domain. If you can find any such, please post here some links. -

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That doesn't make those "riots" race riots even thought they really aren't real riots. Some little unrest after the little bit of rioting in ferguson that ended. -

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12 year old Devonte Hart hugging police Sgt. Bret Barnum. I think this is a very powerful photo and needs to be included in this article of 2014 Ferguson unrest.

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Not for lack of trying, the U.S. hasn't really been close to revolution since about 1776 (although we did have a little secession problem about 150 years ago). ‑‑

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I rewrote this section again after someone objected, and realized that most of the information was just cruft. It is much, much shorter now, but probably better.

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Isn't this of only passing relevance to the article subject in the first place? Isn't the fired contractor a BLP1E whom we should think twice about mentioning?

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I think the article should be changed to include the demonstrations on the issue across the states. It's no longer Ferguson's exclusive issue... something like

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Regarding the strongarm robbery: we have actual recordings from prior to the time of the incident that demonstrate that Officer Wilson knew about the robbery.

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Unrest: as defined by The American Heritage College Dictionary (pg. 1479 3rd edition) states: "unrest... n. An uneasy or troubled condition: social unrest"

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What is political about calling a criminal riot what it is? Should someone go into the 1992 Los Angeles Riots article and rename that "unrest"?

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The interesting thing about these articles is that half the people think it leans one way and the other half think it leans another way. Looking

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to have an open discussion about the article's title. However, I understand I came late to the party, so it might be an issue for another round.

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witness the event via security footage. Your edit implies that he didn't and that we should believe Hollis is lying about Myers being unarmed. -

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The photo was big news for a day or two. Maybe it can be linked to and/or mentioned (if it hasn't been already). It's all part of the story. –

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Please don't any attention to the things the U.S. says about our alleged war crimes and human rights abuses, the U.S. is waaaay worse than us!

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Even if he doesn't get an article, the section on this one shouldn't be saying that forensic evidence indicated Myers fired a gun when the

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There needs to be mention that the United Nations did not ACT and did not support the family's version that this shooting was "torture".

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e.g., that North Korean state propaganda arguably merits only a tiny little bit of weight, if any, but currently it's being given a lot.

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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a

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A short mention can be added when describing Jackson video, but I agree that there is no need for a long section on this individual. -

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of Michael Brown, who also did not bother explaining how he could know this without having been there, and even helpfully added that

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Sorry if this seems like a silly question, but why is this article labelled the "Ferguson unrest," rather than "Ferguson riots"? –

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Currently this section is larded up with deflections from the likes of China, Iran, Russia, North Korea, all essentially saying

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As a first step, I suggest we learn to spell his first name, which I have taken the liberty of correcting in the section head.

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Are you proposing a change to the article? Unless you can offer a source that says that the statistics given are incorrect,

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If someone wants to make a new article I have pictures from last night's protests. Might also put videos up soon as well.

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but that's exactly why the Knowledge guidelines are in place to aid the editor in making those distinctions intelligently.

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White leftists who are rioting in support of the "Black lives matter" imply that the authorities have a racial porblem.

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Why is the Bosnian man who was murdered by 3 black youths close to Ferguson not on here? It is obviously related.

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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Seems like a sane head. I have no objection to adding something. Actually, I would love to add Chris Rock's

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Of course Hollis did not witness the incident, as the source said and as you just confirmed for yourself.

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The people protesting peacefully aren't causing any "unrest". The looters, arsonists, and rioters are.

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The consensus appears to disagree with you on that point (and I believe we do have those sources)

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It's notable that most of the businesses destroyed in the Ferguson riot were owned by minorities

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I still believe it is worth an article, based on the independent autopsy, but can wait for it.--

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I rewrote this section; what happened has been clarified now that the grand jury stuff is out.

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No deaths are known to be directly related to the unrest at this time. A homicide, described

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was found dead near where Mike Brown was murdered. He was set on fire and shot in the head.

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race and are seized with such horror that they do not know when they are shot to death."

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The section should be in prose. I don't like the encouragement of bulleting the list. --

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That's not what I said, pal. Re-read and let me know if you have any other questions.

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Stop white washing this article. Include photos of Ferguson burning after the verdict.

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as I think there would be significant numbers opposed. That would avoid a move war. ‑‑

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But are the images still free when people crop them from other non-free sources?

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Other considerations aside, we can't include that photo for copyright reasons. ‑‑

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when the robbery was announced on August 15. I'm not seeing the problem here. —

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looking to cause trouble. So, "unrest", which is not a legal term, is better.

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aha... a couple of murders here and there, nothing big ... ahmm OK

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And this article is about more than what happened last week. ‑‑

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to it was an integral part of the eponymous 'unrest'.

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pretty much what caused the unrest in the first place.

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Portland, Oregon. 28 November 2014 2312:There is a photo sparking online of 4236:Thank you for the clarification! – 3509:actual competing versions of events 3285:2601:E:9080:1C8:B5B0:33CD:7387:A6A1 1056:Existing umbrella articles include 924:2601:E:9080:1C8:B5B0:33CD:7387:A6A1 200:Draft:Pacifism in the United States 2433:http://www.livestation.com/en/cnni 2289:A comparison has been made to the 24: 4031:. Please take a moment to review 2407:http://www.kmov.com/video/cbsnews 558:International Reactions - Germany 3124:– but how about "Ferguson unrest 1823:the Reliable Sources Noticeboard 1704:". 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