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information, please be happy to correct me, I'm from the West Coast, so I carefully avoided the issue of "vihta" vs. "vasta", it's not really relevant what you call it, as long as people don't think we hit ourselves with leafless birch twigs. The leaves are actually quite pleasant at the best time of year, and you can traditionally dry them and later soak them in hot water and they are almost as good as fresh for most of the year. I used the term 'löyly' in its basic form, that is the rising steam from the stones of the stove.
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It may not be fully sterile but even 60 degrees with dry heat must have killed those microbes that can't handle dryness. As for "löylyn vihat" it may have nothing to do with microbes. Even these days with better hygiene doctors in finland recommend not to go to sauna until sutures have been healed.
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Löyly is the steam of sauna, but it is also the spirit of sauna and sauna bath can be called "ottaa löylyt", take löyly. Löylyn lyömä, "hit by löyly" is somebody who is a little silly and out of his mind. Löylyttää means to beat up somebody. This article is excellent, except one round of sauna is
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You were talking about if sauna´s were antibacterial in pre-1900s. My grandmother told that old folks took care of the sauna. They had big pot were they heated water to the boiling point. Used it to wash themself´s, and after sauna they wash clothes in the hot water and wash the sodium hydroxide
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