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What I'm saying is to take the safe option and just present it as a direct quote from your source. If possible, it would be better sourced from the original, rather than from FOTW, but I accept that you have looked into this. Is there any other material on this page that was cut and pasted? I'm sorry
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I've made the changes on your first two points.(Thanks!) As for the flag explanation, you're assuming that the SSR flag was abandoned in August 1990. Outside of
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It doesn't violate FOTW's copyright - the wording's different (although note that I'm not a lawyer :)). Is that what you meant? Some things just can't be worded differently in any translation, but the para immediately after the list of places for flying the flag is worded quite differently to FOTW's
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Removal has generally been met with positive responses by editors. Does anyone object if I remove it from the main text in a few days’ time on a trial basis? The original input formatting would be seen by all WPians, not just the huge number of visitors; it would be plain, unobtrusive text, which
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Now, you write, "Outside of
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Site they are taken from states 'Copyright
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Thank you; I went ahead and modified it. If, of course, you have disagreements, do let me know, since you were much more involved in the article as a whole - my changes were mostly cosmetic. But I think it reads more clearly now. Also, what do you think of
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I found a copy of the Law, but it's in
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decided to change the flag in August 1990, meaning that at that point, the tricolor became Armenia's sole flag. So let me propose a revised text, to be added after "a horizontal blue stripe was added".
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