Talk:Flight simulator

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it has the potential for involvement in terrorism... but I guess that's the way it works out. Maybe we could make some changes to prose such that it unequivically has no POV stance? I'd like to see some of the text stay, to preserve the references to flight simulation in the media. As to where I was in the last 11 days, alas, work got in the way of my wiki'ing. Please don't see my revert as being belief that the text should entirely stay - I think that editing is needed. I guess my reasoning is that I think it's notable that the media has focused on Flight Simulation (and technology) as potentially involved in major events such as 9-11. Flight Simulators were directly addressed in the commission's enquiry. Now, regardless of whether one thinks Flight Simulator's role is irrelevant (much like, say Criminals use of Books or the Internet in committing there crimes... or anything else for that matter), people have drawn this picture and it has received reasonably substantial coverage. If you checkout the 9-11 Commission enquiries report, you'll see that they addressed this topic to suprising depth.

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environment (i.e. running on a standard pc), without visual outputs and without any real-time capabilities are possibly the most widespread for research purposes. I acknowledge this 'meaning' of flight simulator is somewhat far from what the general public usually is accustomed to - including this meaning in the page might be misleading. However, if completeness is sought, something more could be said on this use as well. The authors may also consider adding some references to commercial implementations, which have been made available to the general public over the years for entertainment and more sophisticated uses as well (MS Flight Simulator, Sierra Pro-Pilot, X-Plane, etc.), and often share simulation models with more complex simulators aiming at a professional or scientific target.

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beginning of a dubious section (as one sees in other articles). That is very helpful for the user. But in this article, to go on to mark so many paragraphs in the same way with that big box, after once generally calling attention to the problem at the beginning, is like the little boy calling "wolf"; the effectivity drops. I guess I did not make myself clear enough in my comment, sorry for that. Another thought: why not use for the subsequent reminders that little superscript warning to the reader that some assertion needs backing; I seem to remember that it's a text something like "citation needed". Then you are getting across the message without "yelling". --

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that flight simulators offer dangerous training abilities to those flying aircraft, and the purpose of this section is to highlight the casual observation. Remember that while a section may be incorrectly titled, the text below it may be quite valid. After all, all the text (added by myself) is sourced from notable publications and no POV is drawn on the conclusions. It's purpose is to note that controversy has, very occasionally, surrounded the (potential) use of Flight Simulators for less than noble purposes. I've restored the text, but changes the heading. Let me know if you think the section is more acceptable.

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the media when it has been potentially involved in terrorist/criminal activity. Now, it's been stated that this is not applicable. But while we, as subject matter experts, may believe this to be true - many do not. And this is explored in the media, and then reported here, because the discussion is notable. Flight simulation is notable as a subject in part because of a possible potential for it to have been used in terrorist attacks, whether that is absurd or unfounded - the area gained much attention as a result of it. I mean, read the opening sentence of the section:

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Good job there. I don't think sinister uses are really "controversial" though. They're just sinister. Inclusion of them creates a dark cloud that is just, well, not nice. :-) Again, usage of cell phones and other technologies by bad guys (etc.) wouldn't be included in an article. I gotta stand by the "not applicable" call. "Not applicable" trumps both "no pov" and "well referenced" (i.e. excellent verified text about cats wouldn't be included because it's NA). So, I say "delete". But I'm not hard over on this. I'm hard over on

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whole issue of having used a flight simulator may be relevant for this specific crime (and possibly so for the Knowledge article describing it), it is not relevant for the explanation of what a flight simulator is. In this particular case, they simply learned how to fly - and they did it more or less the same way as any other student pilot would have done it (including the use of simulators).

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One detailed thing about the short name of the nomenclature in this article may could be adjusted to improve the quality of the whole article. For instance, the term "BITD" located in the section of "instruments" perhaps doesn't have the explanation or the full time around, which is describled in the

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The problem is that the bulk of this article is unsourced. If you check the history it has mostly been incrementally added by many different editors, many of them IP editors who were clearly here to promote companies or products as well as fans adding gaming text. As a result the article, even though

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I have just finished copy editing this text, and am rather bothered by the drastic use of the "citation needed" comment and all the "no reference or sources" boxes in this article, section after section, paragraph after paragraph. Why does anyone have to be so aggressive and antagonistic? One comment

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The 9/11 Commission Report states that the terrorists enroled at FAA-certified flying schools and used for instance a Boeing 737 full-flight simulator at Pan Am International Flight Academy (PAIFA) in Mesa. This is something different as playing with a generic aircraft simulation on a PC. While the

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Much of the original "case" outlines above draw on original research, and drawing conclusions. In the text of the section, the coverage (news articles) and results (such as court outcomes, FBI statements) are presented, allowing the reader to make up their own mind and not draw conclusions for them.

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Text could still do with some work. The reason I found the text was looking for coverage of the topic in the media, to ensure that article met notability guidelines and had more references. It's a sad state of affairs when it seems the media largely only becomes interested in flight simulation when

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So where have you been the last 11 days man? Why didn't you speak up then? I think you are right that the heading was in need of improvement. I imagine it was created in a hurry by someone doing a little reorganization. And, "controversial" is indeed more "easy-listening" in tone and diplomatic.

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I was kind of astonished this article skips completely over the 1960s-1980s simulators. This is when they were heavily driven by graphics systems and collimated displays. This was a major technological advance, well before the home gaming or arcade market appeared, and the topic really needs a more

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Thanks very much for this useful clarification. I have no problem whatsoever with the warning as such, your reasons are convincing. But I think it would be adequate to put it once at the beginning of the article if it refers basically to the entire article (as in this case) and otherwise just at the

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I STRONGLY CONCUR. Telephones and all forms of technology are used by criminals too. AIR is breathed by criminals and we don't feel compelled to mention that. Flight simulators in this context are essentially a teaching technology, like paper and books. Would we mention in a "Book" article that

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I have played with breaking up the page while keeping the content, but cannot order it to better effect myself without major alterations to what is really good reading. As an example there is repeated discussion on what a flight simulator can be used for, and details of the axis of motion available.

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Reading through this article in full (I previously focused on home cockpits as I have an interest in these) it seems to me that we need more sections. We also need to somehow make this read as a single contiguous article. Currently to me this reads as 3 separate (although interesting) articles, each

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Some of the links, while commercial, are commonly in use in home cockpits, so do show what is available. However in an encylopedic sense I don't think they add much to the article and it stands well on its own. Equally some of the links are pure spam, not software I have come across, and seems to be

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Further updates to homebuilt section, added example photo of common mid range hardware and re-wrote the article to try and better fit into the whole page as well as update the content. Renamed the section to indicate it relates purely to homebuilt cockpits as opposed to home simulation which is what

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Contrary to a widely-held misconception, X-Plane itself isn't certified for anything by the FAA. There are certain complete simulator configurations that incorporate X-Plane that are certified for certain limited purposes, but only the complete configurations are certified, not the X-Plane software

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The section "Flight simulators at home" should probably be moved to a separate article titled "Amateur Flight Simulation", which would be prominently linked to from this page. This would allow the two main segments of the industry (flight training and entertainment) to maintain relevant information

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While this article generally contains valuable and applicable information, I feel that the organization of this article, as well as the terminology used, could use some cleaning up in order to improve article flow and to match current industry parlance. To this end, I propose the following changes:

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This new policy, which I have noticed in many articles recently, is starting to be a nuisance rather than a help. Such requests should be reserved for sentences that are very controversial or very doubtful or very opinionated, where their use has some validity. Otherwise, don't we have to trust the

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The article be renamed to "Flight Simulation". The words "Flight Simulator" have a very specific meaning in recent versions of JAA regulations, and using this name on an article that is not specifically about flight simulators is misleading. I think that Flight Simulator should redirect to Flight

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Most of this article consists of text that has now been tagged as unreferenced for four years. It is really time to clean it up and reduce it to what can be actually referenced. I think this will result is a rather short article, so I thought I would open discussion here first and see if there are

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Just to clarify, I think above discussion largely leans around why the assertion that the use of flight simulators by terrorists/criminals is absurd, and comparisons with books and maps are included. That is not the issue, the issue is that Flight Simulation is routinely and regulary discussed in

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I added this link in, although it is not my site and I have no affiliation to it. I found it while researching home cockpit designs and feel it provides a reference backup to my comments in the Homebuilt section regarding homebuilt motion platforms. The site does sell plans, but not for the 3 axis

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Hi folks, agree - that "simulators used by criminals" was a totally inappropriate title. I was the person who added all the text, but not that heading. The information below merely displays where simulators have been highlighted in notable media incidents. There is a casual observation by some

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This contradicts with the previous article section which states that there are a variety of suppliers for software/hardware. I can list a whole range of suppliers for off the shelf software for PFD or GPS using a 2nd PC. There is also the option to simply undock windows from flight simulator on a

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The Wiki entry appears well balanced in terms of content and description accuracy. Under a scientific perspective, flight simulation also includes simply forward-integrating a suitable set of equations of motion/control laws/actuator dynamic equations/sensor equations etc. Simulators in virtual

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The FAA simulator is extraordinarily effective in conveying the utterly convincing experience of roll which is contradicted by the stable instruments (initiated through a simple action such as bending to pick something up) without the use of graphics to complement the instruments and controls.

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To me this addition is contradictory, and linked to only 1 software provider. This makes it more commercial than informative. Although I accept this may not have been the intention, which is why I am clarifying my reasons for removing it here. Happy to discuss this and reach a compromise.

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I agree that dedicated rotor-wing simulators are very rare, however, it seems as though the PC simulators have involved helicopters quite well. The Microsoft series of Flight Simulator, for example, includes a couple of default choppers, and of course there will always be a great number of

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does not and will not contain a section "Maps and criminals". The same applies to the articles about cars, mobile phones, telephone directories, binoculars, books and so on - despite the undeniable fact that these items could be used to plan, prepare or conduct criminal activities.

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Case 2 refers to an unspecified flight simulation software installed on a laptop computer. This setup neither qualifies as a flight simulator, nor does it enable anyone to improve his flying skills. The latter is supported by a statement of the FBI, which is stated in reference #4.

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However the new heading (begging for simplification), opens up a whole new issue. Flight simulators are a very important tool for aircraft accident and incident investigation. There are a number of high-profile cases and some of them could be mentioned here to illustrate that

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there more to advertise than inform. In fact I felt the original 'Home Cockpit' sub article was written simply to push the software add ins, not inform on subject matter. The same links (shown below) then appeared in other home cockpit pages after they were removed from here.

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Provided stronger links to simpits area which covers home built simulators. Tried to remove bias to one companies software and general references to specific packages to more globally overview the current state of home simulator building against commercial simulators.

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Incidentally, an early IBM PC "flight simulator" game in the 1980's was also graphics-free and covered London - Netherlands using keyboard input and character display of instruments for an imaginary DC-10 without even visual runway indications (if my memory serves.)

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which to my mind adds nothing to the general article on Flight Simulation. As per WIKI policy it is not desirable to have a link to every flight simulator, and I feel we should only add in external links that add in further reading not already available.

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Case 4 discusses nothing but a rumour: a suicide bomber who may have participated in online flying games. It is hard to see how the presumed participation in a virtual airline should prepare someone for detonating a bomb in the London subway system.

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I feel this fails to add anything to this article, although it could be argued that it belongs in 'See Also' section. To me flight simulation needs a degree of user input, a motion platform with a movie is not simulating, it is simply playing back.

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I strongly suggest removing this section. Constructing a non-existing link between flight simulators (more specifically flight simulation games) and criminal activities does not help explaining the concept or normal use of a flight simulator.

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is already very long and a bit messy, the section about flight simulation should be just a simple example. The text there should be more related to the topic, like what kind of simulation that is according to the categories explained above.

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Flight Training Device (FTD) - A term used to describe fixed base training devices, either with or without visual systems. An FTD can only be called such after it is qualified by the FAA or other NAA. FTDs, may have motion systems if

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The heading is not the problem - these are links to completely commercial websites. I'll leave it to someone familiar with the subject matter to sift through them judiciously, but the websites I clicked on are clearly spam. -

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Moved 'Home Cockpit Software' section links to external links where other comparable links were already contained. Added in a small range of other commercial links to provide a more balanced view of what is available.

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The section on Home Built cockpits has a reference to Flight Experience in New Zealand. I have added a link to their website under External Links as there is more information available about the simulators themselves.

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Case 3 simply refers to Mr. Jack Thompson's opinion about Microsoft Flight Simulator including his alleged claim Microsoft would be "aiding terrorists". Reference #6 does not mention this rather far fetched claim.

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If the press keeps painting a strange picture of the potential dark side of PC-based flight simulation, it may become an urban legend, but it is not a sufficient reason to carve that in encyclopedic stone.

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itself (that is, if X-Plane is used in any way other than part of the certified configuration, it has no special status at all). Article corrected to remove the claims of certification for the software.

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Regulation of FSTD in Europe is still handled by the JAA under JAR-FSTD A and JAR-FSTD H. Although draft regulations have been published by EASA (CS-FSTD A and CS-FSTD H), a final rule has yet to take

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I have added Flight Experience in New Zealand to the External Links as they were mentioned in the Home Built cockpits section and they have more information about their simulators on with website.

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This article should be removed from the series "Simulation video games", since flight simulation is largely geared toward flight training, although a significant entertainment segment does exist.

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I personally feel we should leave all the commercial links out of the article, as all the sites are easy to locate with a simple google search if a person wishes to go further into the subject.

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I agree, removed commercial links heading (was just trying to highlight that they were commercial) and flagged links for review. Suggest also merge of simpits into home cockpits or vica versa.

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Since the latest version now includes a (pretty basic) Flight Sim that is accessible by pressing Ctrl+A. Does this mean it merits inclusion here? I wanted to ask before I jumped in and edited.

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Full Flight Simulator (FFS) - A term used to describe full motion flight simulation training devices (FSTD). An FFS can only be called such after it is qualified by the FAA or other NAA.

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The FAA Spatial Disorientation Simulator travels the country ( I encountered it at the Reno Air Races.) This is the one motion simulator in aviation that many people have experienced.

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Flight and Navigation Procedures Trainer - A term used to describe generic fixed base training devices. This is a term used only by the JAA. FNPTs may have motion systems if desired.

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Aviation Training Device (ATD) - A term used to describe generic fixed base training devices. This is a term used only by the FAA. There are two types; Basic ATDs and Advanced ATDs.

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The 9/11 Commission in the US concluded in 2004 that those responsible for flying the planes into World Trade Center and Pentagon had used PC-based flight simulators for training

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Case 1 is about a mentally ill person committing a crime aboard a real aircraft. Reference #3 contains the remark that "home computer games weren't to blame for his actions".

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I moved the following link here, as it is an external link in a list entirely made up of internal links. The list itself is bad enough without the addition of external links.

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regarding this topic and simply do not qualify at all for inclusion in an encyclopedic article about flight simulators. (I gave the rationale in my initial comment.)

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sim. The advertising is only to the side and the primary purpose of the site is as an article on the 3 axis sim and its development to other home cockpit builders.

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Obviously I feel this adds some interesting further reading into the subject and is not a spam link, but I note it was removed as spam and would welcome comment.

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As always, coverage of subject areas and time periods like this is dictated by a lack of references. If you can find the refs, then the text can be expanded. -

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Just for everyone's information, semantics are extremely important in the flight simulation industry, so here is a list of common terms and their explanations:

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Cockpit Procedures Trainer (CPT) - A term used to describe a trainer that provides the basic layout of a cockpit, but with little or no aerodynamic modeling.

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I note that this was flagged as needing citations, however was there anything specific that whoever flagged it was asking to be referenced or challenging?

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Sorry I called it "garbage". That old heading wrapped your sweet prose up in thick layers of fetid seaweed and I mistakenly couldn't see beyond it. :-)

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Flight Simulator (FS) - A deprecated term used by the JAA (Joint Aviation Authorities) for devices equivalent to the current Full Flight Simulator (FFS).

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author in the first instance, and leave it to the Knowledge user to tackle any needed editing? They are not shy about making such changes, after all. --

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I have removed the following writing due to it reading as an advertisement for a product, rather than give insight into residential flight simulators:

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Hello! The expanded part of this article is of professional content. Many advanced and solid conclusions are embeded in the added section. Good work!

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Extraordinary claims required extraordinary citations, I imagine that without verifiable sources such material would be deleted from the article.

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Approval - The current term for approval of an ATD by the FAA to be used for flight training. Also a deprecated term equivalent to qualification.

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section, there are a few paragraphs that describe the advantages (safety, cost etc.) that should probably be moved to this article, I'd say into

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a criminal learned how to pick a safe by "using books". Maybe, if the article was about the safecracker himself or about a particular book

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In the united states, the FAA regulates FSTD qualification under 14 CFR Part 60. ATD approval guidance is provided in AC 61-136.

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following section of "European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA, ex JAA) categories". Probable the orders of them could be changed.

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I am not trying to advertise BTW, i don't care...it has been sold out in April 2008, I've added it, it has the right to be added

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covering the basics of flight simulators in commercial environments, but with focus on slightly different areas or simulators.

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The following observations and suggestions for improvements were collected, following expert review of the article within the

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to delete it first. Don't give the quibblers time to whine. Deleting garbage in Knowledge is HIGHLY SATISFYING! Do it! :-)

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Does anyone else have an opinion? Is anyone out there besides us three (W,G, and I)? Hello?! McFly!? Anyone? Speak up!

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Qualification - The current term for approval of an FSTD to be used for flight training. Granted by the FAA or other NAA.

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If I don't hear any objections to these changes in the next few days, I will go ahead and start the reorganization.

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Qualification, Certification, and Approval (Current "Simulator and flight training device certifications" section)

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The article well describes the features of flight simulators. I also agree with the suggestion above of merging

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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the

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https://web.archive.org/web/20111217165813/http://files.asme.org/ASMEORG/Communities/History/Landmarks/5585.pdf

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Stick and rudder pedals, or a stick with a twist axis (for the rudder), or an auto-rudder feature on some sims

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Additionally, pages would be created for any of the following device types that do not already have articles:

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Can it be added without extraordinary claims, and adding to the ref list this site or sub-pages like this:

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Here are the links that were in the section. Anyone think any should be restored back into the article?

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Might consider integrating the "Qualification and approval" part into "Types of flight simulators" part.

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Mid="relatively important to this project, as it fills in some more specific knowledge of certain areas."

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We should in my opinion cover each item once in their own sections. Would value other editors thoughts.

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Thanks for the suggestion, I reorganised the article so terms are mentioned after they are explained

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Technology (Current "Instructor operating stations" and "Modern high-end flight simulators" sections)

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Flight Simulation Training Device (FSTD) - A generic term that encompasses FFS, FTD, FNPT, and BITD.

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after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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multi-head graphics card (which is how I approach this) which opens up the options even further.

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I see that 11 days passed and no one complained about the idea of deleting the section and

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I agree that the two sections were too similar, now one of them is application-specific

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Has the use of flight simulators been directly linked to terrorist/criminal activites.

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is currently a disambiguation page, and it links to this one. Its proposed to move

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Review only for sections: Types of flight simulators, Technology, EASA categories

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Certification - A deprecated term equivalent to qualification. No longer in use.

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rightfully deleted it. So Wikitanian, wasn't that fun? Bah Ha Ha Ha Ha!

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ATD - Aviation Training Device (would encompass both BATD and AATD) (FAA)

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Types (Current "Flight simulators and flight training devices" section)

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Hardware for Garmin 1000 Flight simulator based on CAN-Bus technology.

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Helicopter flight sims seem to be very rare. Presumably low demand.

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The Flight Simulation article should have the following sections:

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you have now nicely copy-editted it, is a mass of unsourced and

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or anyone else doesn't get to it before me, I WILL DELETE IT.

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That this article is linked to from the image description page.

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Aerowinx (Precision Simulator 1.3 or PS1.3) should be included

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Why is there a section for links to commercial websites here?

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at the beginning of the article should suffice, seems to me.

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Project Magenta - Widely used high end Glass Cockpit software

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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FAA Spatial Disorientation Simulator and Coriolis illusion

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section, to give reason for that application. I think as

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This article needs additional citations for verification.

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One such simulator is mentioned on en.wikipedia.org at

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Simulation, since this is a common misuse of the term.

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