Talk:Frank Chu - Knowledge (XXG)

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slip-ups notwitstanding. He's certainly not catatonic, he doesn't hallucinate, and the Republican Party is anything but disorganized. George Bush has the full range of cognitive capacity that allows him to make informed decisions about his life: that's partly why he became President, and that's exactly why Frank Chu cannot hold any job except the one he has. Your argument is patently absurd. Should the word "Car" be removed from usage because certain things which are obviously "not cars" (bicycles, motorcyles) have arguably car-like attributes (wheels, motors)? Can you think of ANY abstract class of objects (Schizophrenics, waiters, hamburgers) so rigidly defined that the set of terms in its definition is exclusive to that single class? You are imposing an impractical standard of precision which does not exist anywhere else in the english language. The word "Schizophrenic" is certainly more precise than "folk diagnosis", which as far as I can tell is

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would much rather have a real job earning good money, but he is unable to get one because Bill Clinton and the 21 galaxies are projecting psychotronic treasons on him. Your friends who believe that they can eat the flesh of the son of God, or speak to God in an empty room are not schizophrenics, they are more accurately Christians, because this label more accurately communicates their perception and beliefs. If these friends deny that the Christian God is the one they are speaking to, or that Jesus is the son of god whose flesh transsubstantiates, then it is more likely - but not certain - that they are schizophrenics. I agree with you that any description of Frank's condition must be free from negative stigma, because it is what makes Frank the person we love. At the same time one cannot simply banish the use of the word "Schizophrenia" in an Orwellian hope that we can banish negative thought. -

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onset of his disorder. Frank's old professions included work as a truck driver and training in Business Administration, opportunities which are not availiable to him after the onset of his disease. This is the very definition of "occupational dysfunction". It's true that I have friends who also experience occupational dysfunction after the onset of their disease, but their disease is called "alcoholism". Other friends do not have disorders because they do not exhibit other symptoms: they are "victims of the dot-com bubble", not schizophrenics. Not every person with occupational dysfunction is schizophrenic, and not every schizophrenic (such as

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be obvious the protests use language metaphors and can be construed true in different ways simultaneously for sets of individuals. Because of the use of the word galaxies, the reference to this article comes from spatial SETI research, but the terms makes perfect metaphorical sense applied to industries/corporations/nations and the individuals made famous within each of them. Similar considerations for the term alien. This talk page invites more to discuss the character than to discuss the exposition, but this ambiguation between astrophysical research and social metaphor should be made explicitly evident in the text.

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evidence of a possibly pathological labelling obsession on your part) when in fact A) the usefulness of the diagnosis of "schizophrenia" in general is contested even in psychiatric circles and among people like myself who aren't "anti-psychiatry advocates," and B) its application to Frank Chu in particular seems to be just a matter of the opinion of the uncredentialed viewing him informally (or, at least, this is all the evidence that the reader of the wikipedia entry gets to see) and is certainly debatable on the one hand, and not particularly informative on the other.

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of cognitive capacity that allows most people to make informed decisions about their lives. Frank's life is not a life Frank has chosen: it is a life he laments but is unable to change due to his impaired mental function. This isn't a value judgement: this is an objective measure of function. It's valuable to note Frank's disorder because it gives people unfamiliar with Frank a familiar context within which they can understand his work. Let's leave this section short, with a nod to psychiatry and a nod to anti-psychiatry and not make Frank a political football. -

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clinical definition of that term. Descriptive similarities are inherently useful to clear, concise communication. If Frank sat in the park muttering things like "Engines at half, control 1 can I request take-off on strip 4" it would also be accurate and descriptive to say Frank's behavior was consistent with the actions of an airplane pilot, even if he did not have an FAA pilot's license and even if I was not an FAA license officer. Minor deviations like operating the rudder with the hands instead of the feet would not change the validity of my statement.

449:. The statements regarding Chu's behavior (namely the ones detailing the soothing effects cigarettes have on him) include such sources as "private communication, 2 December 2002" and "“SeenyaRita” commenting on Flickr, August 2005". While you do have sources, they are really based on hearsay and are a clear breach of Knowledge (XXG) policy (ibid.) While I like these statements, they are unverifiable, and thus have no place here. Find a newspaper article, television spot, magazine articles...etc with similar content, source it, and include it in the article.-- 1270:

preference to an ordinary life. This is misleading at the most basic level. Frank's behavior is not a choice, it is a compulsion. He is unable to have any extended two-way human interaction without the 12 Galaxies, US Presidents, and TV news taking center stage. His daily "protesting" activity is not a choice, it is the only activity he is capable of engaging in. Frank's survival is impressive and his public's appreciation even moreso, but a man stranded on a desert island is still stranded, no matter how comfortably he lives in his surroundings.

1424:(and other sources) I see the term used to describe the a steadily worsening cognitive deficit such as is caused by a degenerative brain disease. What I think you want to describe is something more like a chemical imbalance that causes disordered thinking - not necessarily one that is steadily worsening or leading to progressive cognitive decay. (Disclaimer: this shouldn't suggest that I believe the evidence is enough to support either of these conclusions, or that either of us are qualified to diagnose him of such things from a distance.)- 700:, a travelling campus preacher. He was outrageous in his persona, in his use of archaicisms like "slattern" and "trollop" to describe the immodestly- (but actually ordinarily-) dressed women on campus who would be better off as "baby machines" than as students, and he could go on and on about fore-nigh-cay-shun and such. He had particular verbal and presentational tics - pronouncing certain words in long, drawn-out ways, and accompanying this with peculiar gestures. Most people thought he was a total loon, but he could be fun to watch. 989:

label is insufficiently precise to be informative. Though you suggest that I'm applying black & white distinctions of precise and imprecise to language, and that no word would meet my criteria, I think this is hyperbolic - some words are more precise than others, and "schizophrenia" is a particularly imprecise word - even in a psychiatric context, and this is exacerbated by common-usage misunderstandings of the term (conflation with multiple personality disorder, for instance).

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behavior narrows the realm of normal, uncertifiable human behavior to an oppressive degree; and that your bullying approach to trying to classify my misgivings as belonging to some fringe category (Holocaust-denier-like, racist-like, "Anti-psychiatric") is both strikingly characteristic of the substance of your argument and indicative of its weakness. What on earth do you or the readers of the Frank Chu entry on wikipedia gain if you successfully apply this label to him there? -

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believe that the word "schizophrenic" is worthless, alter the page which defines that term to reflect its supposed uselessness. Otherwise, George Bush is a red herring which has nothing to do with this conversation. The term "Schizophrenic" is in no way misleading when applied to Frank, and is in all ways misleading when applied to George Bush. That's why the term "Schizophrenic" appears in this article and not in George Bush's

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great many people schizophrenic under such a subjective and liberally-interpreted guideline for whom such a label would be absurd (for instance, my example of Dubya with his delusions and bizarre speech patterns, or your belief that somebody who doesn't like their job and would rather be making good money at a "real job" is demonstrating a schizophrenic symptom rather than a fairly typical case of employment angst).

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vaugely-described mundane work he had in the past, but I can't help but notice that he's got a great deal of fame (which he values) and he's had a bar named in honor of his project (and drinks there for free, to boot). Seems pretty darned successful to me. Tell me about his former, even-more-successful career as a truck driver! Must have been pretty magnificent!

659:. No one denies that Frank has "delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, grossly disorganized behavior". There is a common word which encompasses and defines this behavior, and it is appropriate to use that word here. Formal recognition is not necessary for comparison: Moorlock is certainly not bashful about accusing me of "acting like a psychologist". 755:". If Frank's behavior follows a "stereotype" then it is accurate to say that Frank is behaving stereotypically. Whether Frank could be formally diagnosed can be the subject of speculation, but his symptomatic behavior (delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, derailment or incoherencem, grossly disorganized behavior) is beyond dispute. 830:

match your own, but that they are pathological ones. If he merely believed that the Son of Man came down from the cross 2,000 years ago to redeem everybody and if we kept eating his flesh and blood in the form of wine and a cracker every week he'd eventually return and usher in the end of time, he'd be "devout" instead.

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regardless of what term defines his illness. Correctly calling him a schizophrenic is not only accurate and descriptive, it demonstrates that schizophrenics should NOT be ignored or marginalized and can be accepted members of a community, since our beloved Frank is an accepted and valuable member of ours. -

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I've altered the phrasing to include "most of the symptoms of schizophrenia", which is far more generous than "all but one sub-aspect of one symptom are beyond debate" which is also accurate. The DSM's cautionary note is acknowleged: that's why the first sentence is carefully phrased to avoid formal

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You haven't given any reason in any passage above to doubt that Frank's behavior precisely fits the definition. The one you continue to refer to, "Social/occupational dysfunction" does not mean "doing pretty well in whatever job he can find", it requires a prolonged decrease in achievement after the

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Let's take your George Bush example. He does not have "delusions": his public statements are carefully constructed to avoid addressing known falsehoods while giving the illusion that the falsehoods are being affirmed. This careful word use also belies his "disorganized speech", stuttering and other

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If you have actual, concrete evidence "that Frank has been formally diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic," then by all means add this evidence to the entry. For the time being, I've cleared-out the "Mental Health" section (except for the flag urging readers to visit this talk page) because it seems

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You miss my point. I do not disagree that Frank's behavior can be seen as "consistent with the symptoms of schizophrenia," however I think that in order to demonstrate this, the definition must be interpreted liberally and subjectively and that this makes the term very imprecise. You could label a

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There is nothing in the body of the article which encourages anyone to marginalize Frank. Quite the contrary: your opposition to the term implies that schizophrenics are indeed unworthy of admiration, and the only way to save Frank is to deny that he is one. Frank is the same beloved, valued person

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Describing Frank's behavior as "consistent with the symptoms of schizophrenia" *is* useful - it succinctly summarizes his behaviors in a familiar, objective, externally-defined phrase. Brevity and accuracy of communication is inherently useful. Since you and I are not Frank's caretakers, the term's

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I'm concerned that Frank is being used as a vehicle for anti-psychiatry advocacy. Eccentrics or troublemakers can be and have been misdiagnosed as mentally ill, but if there is one person who fits the formal, clinical definition of "Schizophrenic" it is Frank Chu. Frank does not have the full range

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If the reader agrees with the conclusion, the reader can come up with it independently based on the description of Frank's behavior. If the reader does not agree with the conclusion or have enough information to base the conclusion on, there is no additional information or persuasive value in saying

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The label "schizophrenic" is not merely descriptive, as "amputee" is, but is also judgemental - your analogy speaks to this, as it seems to imply you think that Frank is missing something, has been deprived of a "normal" mind. The label is a way of saying not only that Frank has delusions that don't

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If all it takes to earn the label "schizophrenic" is to have persistant and bizarre delusions, then Frank Chu surely qualifies, as do at least 90% of the people I know. If he also must have bizarre speech patterns, then that 90% gets cut down a bit, but still contains, for instance, the current U.S.

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official diagnosis because he's not officially her patient.) It is beyond the doubt of the dozens of mutual acquaintences of Frank's and mine that, dispite my fondness for him, he is formally, clinically mentally ill. Frank himself has mentioned things which hint at a formal diagnosis in the past. -

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If I were king, I'd delete the speculation about schizophrenia from this entry. I doubt it was made by anyone capable of making such a diagnosis; and the diagnosis of "schizophrenia" is of such tenuous explanatory value anyway that it mostly amounts to a pejorative in this context. For all we know,

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Disputed accuracy and imprecise language aren't exactly uncommon on the web, but this is not just a debate about accurate and precise language. To call someone "schizophrenic" (or "mentally ill" in general) is and traditionally has been a way of marginalizing him, pathologizing him, and treating his

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Frank's own (heavily embellished and admittedly unreliable) accounts of past experiences hint at formal diagnosis by the appropriate authorities. While it would obviously be preferable for Frank's doctor to write a full formal diagnosis, doctor/patient confidentiality would forbid such a statement.

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The DSM seems to have a three-part test for schizophrenia: Part one concerns the type of symptoms, part two concerns their effect on the life of person who exhibits them, part three concerns their duration. The diagnostician must say "yes" to all three parts of the test before saying that the person

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took issue with this, and we engaged in a vigorous debate here about his attempts to keep (and strengthen) the assertion about Frank's rumored/speculated schizophrenia. The debate got a little out-of-hand, as these things sometimes do, and though you're welcome to go back through the history of this

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Opinions differ as to whether Frank is mentally ill, in the sense that his behaviors and perceptions are harmful to him and out of his control; or whether he is better described as eccentric, with bizarre ideas and behaviors that he has fruitfully harnessed in the service of a unique and interesting

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functional, talk to Frank himself. Ask him what life was like before the 12 galaxies and US Presidents began guiltying him. If you don't believe that Frank's illness has rendered him socially and occupationally dysfunctional to the very letter of that term's definition, you don't know Frank like I

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I agree. A qualified mental health practitioner must decide that Frank meets the given number of requirements from each lettered section for Frank's formal diagnosis to be valid. In section B, he must be dysfunctional in one or more significant ways which include occupation but also include social

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bipedialism *is* remarkable, hence it is mentioned on her page and not on Frank's. The other descriptive adjectives you provide are absurd and inapplicable, with the exception of "demonic posession". I don't believe it to be correct since I don't adhere to supernatural beliefs or explanations, but

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Simply put: if you claim that George Bush is schizophrenic then and add that information to George Bush's page instead of Frank's. If have any reason to believe that Frank is NOT schizophrenic in the formal, clinical definition of the term I'd like to know what leads you to this conclusion. If you

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I am confident that Frank has been formally diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, and that he would be today if he chose to commit himself to the care of a psychiatrist. This is immaterial, though: no one including yourself can argue that Frank's behavior is anything but consistent with the formal

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If Frank was missing his legs and I called him an 'amputee' would you say "maybe he's not an amputee, maybe normal limbs can include limbs which are shorter than you think they are"? If Frank didn't have limbs, the word "amputee" would be useful to explain Frank's appearance to people who had never

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If he hadn't decided to drop his guard or write his book, I might still only have the unconfirmed suspicion that his ranting and raving and tics and such were an act - I might have to also suspect that they were symptoms of an underlying pathology that also generated the delusions. As it turns out,

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Sorenr tries to get around this. Instead of saying that Frank is schizophrenic, he says that Frank's delusions and disordered thought processes and such are "consistent with" schizophrenia. But this is not true. Delusions and disordered thought processes and such are only delusions and disordered

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is not a "confusing label": it is a formal, clinical term describing a well-known mental disorder recognized across cultural and geographic boundaries and characterized by well-defined behaviors. Its use is especially nonambiguous within the context of the Knowledge (XXG), in which confused readers

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I doubt it was made by anyone capable of making such a diagnosis; and the diagnosis of "schizophrenia" is of such tenuous explanatory value anyway that it mostly amounts to a pejorative in this context. For all we know, Frank is operating less as someone who is mentally ill and compelled by chemical

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This page shows an individual expression of a real social mechanic performed by a successful non central character of a group dynamic. What this man speaks about is a social structure that can be built, described and is perfectly rational and logical though undesirable. To any sane reader it should

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I stumbled upon this page today and had a similar thought. I cant believe that even in america with its swiss cheese legal system nor even San Fransisco's apparently mostly insane populous, someone who shoots at a police officer or holds people hostage can just be wandering around. I've never heard

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As for why he would drop out of character when meeting a fan - use your imagination. Perhaps his act isn't meant primarily for his fan base, but for the Chu-naive. Once you're already hip to his act, he doesn't have to impress you any more. The performance artist / travelling evangelist known as

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page says, "It is worth noting that many of the positive or psychotic symptoms may occur in a variety of disorders and not only in schizophrenia." I tried to address this by saying that Frank's expressions resemble those of people who have been diagnosed with schizophrenia, which is true, though a

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I still think this is misleading. Although delusions and thought disorder are symptoms of schizophrenia, they are also symptoms of a number of other disorders and without additional evidence there isn't a good reason to say "consistent with" schizophrenia as opposed to any of the other disorders.

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I disagree with two parts of this sentence: first, the schizophrenic symptoms which Frank manifests are not within his control. They are a compulsion which dominates almost every aspect of his life. This doesn't mean he is unconscious of boundaries or behaves offensively, but one does not have to

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You label me a "bully", but I am only confronting your delusions about Frank and refusing to allow them to be passed off as valid. In this discussion and your various edits you give the impression that Frank is a rational adult who chooses to adopt the character of a "street performance artist" in

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All evidence: Frank's resume, his previous work history, his now-unused business education, and his subsistence on SSI income point to occupational dysfunction. Further dysfunction is also present in "interpersonal relations" (his alienated family) and "self-care" (obvious). As with "occupational

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Nonsense. Your insistence that you are an agendaless voice of neutrality while I am an "Anti-psychiatry advocate" or "ideologue" with an agenda is just bullying. You and I have a disagreement on the accuracy and/or neutral point of view of this article section. Given that this is the case, it is

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For reasons I mentioned above (Frank is performing admirably in his occupation, although as is the case for many of us, it may not be his ideally chosen occupation), I believe the DSM label "schizophrenic" may not be accurate when applied to Frank. For other reasons I have mentioned, I believe the

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I could probably find a dozen other DSM categories that Frank's behavior (or yours or mine) is "consistent with," but I don't think this would be particularly helpful. I believe it would be better to put more effort into accurately and precicely describing Frank's outlook and actions and leave the

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If you can say "on such-and-such a date, Frank Chu was hospitalized at such-and-such a place and Doctor So-and-so wrote such-and-such a diagnosis on his chart" then that is a data point that some people might find useful. But just to say, "in the opinion of me and most everybody I know, that man's

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If Frank must also exhibit "Social/occupational dysfunction" to qualify, as the definition you refer to suggests, then I don't know if he even makes the cut, since he seems to fulfill his chosen occupation remarkably well and it is a very social one. Of course if you think his chosen occupation or

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Yeah, I have talked with him. I just am skeptical of psychiatric labels, particularly those given in fly-by and or untrained and completely speculative diagnoses, but even those given in officially-sanctioned settings by officially-designated label-attachers. At some point, you've got to put your

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page says, "It is worth noting that many of the positive or psychotic symptoms may occur in a variety of disorders and not only in schizophrenia.") As a simple analogy: saying "ouch" is consistent with having been hit in the head with a rock, but is not sufficient evidence that one has been hit in

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has this very same behavior - bizarre rants that he uses in order to draw and disarm an audience, but underneath it is a rational person who is deliberately using his performance persona for effect and who he'll let you meet if you show him that you understand what he's doing or talk with him when

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On the subject of dementia: I purposefully chose exactly this term to provide a sharply contrasting view to the one you provide. You're suggesting that Frank's "crazy ranting guy" behavior is a 'character' which he deliberately adopts, and you support this fanciful belief with a story about how a

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Saying "ow" is consistent with being hit with a rock, but without a rock and a bump on the head one cannot say that "the victim's circumstances and behavior are consistent with being hit on the head with a rock", because other circumstances do not match. Not all people who say "ow" are hit on the

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I might let this slide, since disputed accuracy and imprecise language aren't exactly uncommon in these parts, but to call someone "schizophrenic" (or "mentally ill" in general) is and traditionally has been a way of marginalizing him, pathologizing him, and treating his feelings, experiences, and

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Simply giving your opinion that the label "schizophrenic" ought to be applied to Frank Chu does not add any information to this wikipedia entry. When you say it "gives people unfamiliar with Frank a familiar context within which they can understand his work" I suspect it would be more accurate to

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We both agree that Frank's experience interacting with the world and the experience others have interacting with Frank is significantly different than the common experience, correct? You can question whether the label improperly carries negative connotations, but you cannot question that the label

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For 18 months I was the Significant Other of a doctor of psychology who worked at the Napa State Mental Hospital. Her direct experiences with Frank led her to conclude that Frank's unusual behavior was most likely to be caused by schizophrenia. Other acquaintences with professional provider-side

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Nonetheless, we both have been caught sticking our ignorant fingers in the DSM and have expressed our lay opinions on the subject. For what it's worth: That Frank's descriptions of reality are, if held in earnest, bizarre delusions, is not controversial. Neither is that his behavior is extremely

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puts it: "The DSM provides diagnostic categories and criteria for their diagnoses. The proper use of these requires clinical training, knowledge and skills to apply them. Their use by people without this background is likely to lead to an inappropriate application of diagnoses."), and b) is really

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Second, I deny that Frank has "fruitfully harnessed" his ideas and behaviors. By Frank's own reckoning only 5-10% of his income is from "performance" related income. He's widely recognized in the bay area, but recognition - even when it includes a few free Budweisers - is a very different thing

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I'm still waiting for your evidence (as opposed to your assertion) that "For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset."

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Have you ever talked with Frank Chu? I've spent several hours with him. I've bought him beers and driven him home to his house. I've informally introduced him to a close friend who is a doctor of psychiatry, who gave him the informal diagnosis of paranoid schizophrenia. (She can't give him an

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He also gave me a copy of his book, in which he confirms that as I suspected, he uses his bizarre caricature and antics to draw a crowd of students who mock and mimic him, and then he debates issues of morality and theology with members of the assembled crowd as a way of addressing issues that he

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The one source that you cited for the claim that "Formally accredited psychologists, professional mental health counselors, and former psychiatric orderlies who have met Chu in person share the speculation that his behavior is most likely to be the result of schizophrenia" today removed the cite,

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page, "o be diagnosed as having schizophrenia, a person must display Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level

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Because it's not an act. It's an involuntary compulsion which Frank is powerless to resist. Saying that Frank has the ability to engage in any behavior but this one is like saying that Frank has the ability to communicate in fluent Polish. It is not impossible, but it is highly improbable and

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Patients do not have to exhibit every symptom for a valid diagnosis to be made: they only need to exhibit a certain number of the symptoms. Frank fits even the definition of "Social/occupational dysfunction" because Frank himself denies that protesting is his "chosen occupation". Frank says he

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I can imagine somebody like Brother Jed whose particular variety of performance, or the effects he hopes to gain from it, require that he never entirely break character, or that he do so under only very rare circumstances. I think it is possible that Frank Chu is such a performer, and that just

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I tried to bait him into revealing his secret during his performance, but he wouldn't bite. But when I approached him afterwards, when there weren't other students around, he dropped his role and invited me to join him for dinner, where we talked theology and small-talk in a completely ordinary

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Comparisons can be drawn between similar or dissimilar classes. If Frank sat in the park muttering things like "Engines at half, control 1 can I request take-off on strip 4" it would be concise, accurate and descriptive to say that Frank's behavior was consistent with the actions of an airplane

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has alluded to having heard the opinion of qualified psychiatrists on the mental health of Frank, but provides no detail - an assertion that "Dr. so-and-so says that he thinks Frank has such-and-such" would be of more help on this page than "the last person to edit this page claims that Frank is

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Frankly, I don't even understand why this page exists as it doesn't indicate in any way why it should. It's not like he's the only nutjob roaming the streets on the planet. Recommend deleting the whole damn thing and forgetting about it, as the only thing I got out of it was that he's a massive

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Suffice it to say that I don't consider you qualified to give a technical psychiatric diagnosis of this kind; that in the absence of such a diagnosis from someone who is qualified I don't think such speculations have a place on this page; that your definition of "dysfunctional" and pathological

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of which must be met in order for the diagnosis to be valid. One covers the type of symptoms, the second (the one we're debating here) covers the severity of the symptoms or their effect on the life of the subject, and the third covers the duration of the symptoms. Part two of this test isn't

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You've added yet another section to remind everyone who might be arriving late to the party that Schizophrenia is a disease with negative connotations. It surprises me that you're so comfortable throwing that label around and emphasizing the negative, given your opposition to those things. It

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I disagree that "anti-psychiatry advocacy" is at the root of this debate. Your recent changes to the "Mental Health" section are incoherent. For one thing, you insist that everybody that disagrees with your diagnosis of Frank Chu must be an "Anti-psychiatry advocate" (which strikes me as more

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It adds nothing useful to an encyclopedia entry on Frank Chu to say that many people who observe him think that his behavior is consistent with their understanding of what schizophrenia is. There is no information provided by this factoid that a simple "a lot of people think he's nuts" doesn't

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Do we really need the Sign texts section to be a list of anything that's ever appeared on one of Frank Chu's signs? It seems like examples of a few should be enough, along with a short analysis of common elements; listing all of them is just overwhelming and doesn't get the point across well.

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You were trying to pretend that you can call someone schizophrenic without calling them sick. That's just dishonest. Schizophrenia is the name of a mental disorder or mental illness, technically, or a synonym for "crazy", colloquially. Whichever way you intended to use it or readers can be

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You resent the implication that Frank ought to be associated with the term "schizophrenic" in any way. Deleting the entire section is not a neutral result: it is exactly the result that you wish to achieve by censoring the use of a term which your ideology finds offensive. Deleting disputed

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It is not the term's "curative usefulness" that is at issue here, but its informational value. The term "schizophrenia" as it is being used here, because of its imprecision, may mislead more than it informs. To the extent that it is precise, I question its accuracy; to the extent that it is

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definition, and that this definition applies to Frank's perception and behavior. If Frank doesn't deserve this term, who does? Hopefully we can agree that laymen, unofficial experts, and official experts alike consider Frank's behavior to be consistent with the behaviors defined by the term

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Because of this imprecision, the label has little or no informational content. However, the label "schizophrenia" has significant pejorative and marginalizing effects and (because of its imprecision) evokes a huge variety of mental stereotypes in people, particularly when it is applied in a

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I think there's more than a bit of the performer in Frank, and a certain amount of whimsy and the self-referential in his signs (e.g. "skeptical preemptive miscreants", "exacerbated charismatic aberrations", "diligent trivializing opthamologists") that makes me suspect that he's a successful

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says the label of schizophrenia is useful to readers because it "gives people unfamiliar with Frank a familiar context within which they can understand his work" but I suspect it would be more accurate to say that it quickly allows people to stereotype Frank and marginalize his behavior by

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Since the most recent bay to Breakers, the flickr tag for Frank is mostly full of impersonators. I would like to suggest a new flickr tag or removal of the link. Of the 285 pictures only a small number are of Frank. There is a tag "realfrankchu" but it has only been used by a single user.

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Links to "thought disorder" seem useful, but the disorders he's manifesting don't appear to be limited to neologia. They all certainly don't apply, though: in particular "distractible speech" seems fairly inapplicable since it's almost impossible to distract him from his favorite topics.

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for a diagnosis of schizophrenia or for some other diagnosis. There's no good reason to prejudge schizophrenia in the absence of this. Those perceptions, interpretations, and so forth may be necessary but they certainly are not sufficient to be actually "consistent with a diagnosis of

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I do not believe you have the evidence to show that this is true (did you know Frank before "the onset"? do you know what his "level" of functioning was? or are you just extrapolating from his resume?). Furthermore, you seem to believe that Frank is currently performing "below" some

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foot down and say, "look, maybe he's not sick, maybe 'normal' is just a lot roomier of a place than you think it is." Every time we label some minority behavior as pathological we tighten the screws on the rest of us. We need to start exercising a lot more caution about doing this. -

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The phrase "consistent with the symptoms of schizophrenia" is carefully phrased to be descriptive while avoiding being a formal diagnosis. It does not say "consistent with ALL symptoms of schizophrenia" because there is some debate to be had as to whether he fails to meet one or two

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Also, you say that folks like me want to "clarify" that the label of schizophrenia "ought not to carry negative value judgements or imply that Frank's condition makes him 'sick'" but giving somebody a label based on an informal diagnosis from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of

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created the Frank Chu page it included a paragraph that read "Frank Chu's world view and interests are rumored" "to be the result of Schizophrenia." I later inaugurated this talk section by suggesting that we "delete the speculation about schizophrenia from this entry" because:

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As a disinterested observer, I would say that Frank Chu seems pretty loopy. However, I am merely a layman, not a psychiatrist, and even if I were a psychiatrist, I do not think that I would be able to diagnose someone's mental state on the basis of a description on a Web page.

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Are we sure that this is the same Frank Chu? I mean, the birthdays match up and it happened in Oakland, but Frank Chu sounds like a rather common name. I think if this was the same person, he wouldn't be free to walk the streets right now. Can we get confirmation of this?

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You allude to the solution in your own comment: you cannot say that George Bush is schizophrenic without being absurd, because everyone including you or I can agree that he isn't. You *can* say that Frank Chu is, because everyone including you and I can agree that he is.

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display" ... "Social/occupational dysfunction: For a significant portion of the time since the onset of the disturbance, one or more major areas of functioning such as work, interpersonal relations, or self-care, are markedly below the level achieved prior to the onset."

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The passage as I have written it is neutral: it acknowleges Frank's behavior as consistent with Schizophrenia without claiming to formally diagnose him, and it acknowleges anti-psychiatric misgivings to that term's use. You are betraying NPOV in the following manner:

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OK, now we're getting somewhere. I removed the "frank is damned" statement because demonic posession damages the body but does not damn the soul. Of course it's ironic that you insist on adding this term since the "demonic posession" entry says in its introduction:

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inappropriate for you to keep overwriting the section with your particular point of view. It would be better to leave the section entirely blank until this is resolved, I think, or to carefully reconstruct only those parts of the section that are not under debate.

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with the symptoms of schizophrenia. (Some schizophrenics can have jobs and social circles.) If you'd like to add a list of other disorders which also match his symptoms (such as demonic posession: why have you deleted that one?) I would consider that valid.

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I agree - it applies in conventional use, but it's certainly inaccurate in this context. The other two you cite - delerium and psychosis - seem more applicable though I can't judge Frank's impaired cognition (or lack thereof) well enough to say which one.

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similarities also include his actions, thoughts, speech patterns, body language, the persistence of these habits, and the impact that these habits have on his daily life. In other words Frank's perception interpretations, and behavior are consistent with

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Witnesses said that Frank Chu, 25, was threatening members of his family. Officer Gary Hooks was summoned, but he left when he thought the situation was under control. He was called again amid reports that Chu was "beating family members with his fists."

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illustrates a career thrown into occupational dysfunction by the onset of his disease: a former truck driver and student of Business Administration is, by his own accounting, only able to earn 10% of the funds required to support himself. This is the

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Frank Chu displays behaviors that can be considered to be "consistent with" demonic possession, hypercaffeination, and bipedalism, but unless these factoids are somehow made relevant or provide more information than opinion, they don't belong here.

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only useful if your expected audience also knows what such a diagnosis means and doesn't mean - in other words, that they can be trusted not to make the common set of assumptions that the word "schizophrenic" carries outside of psychiatric circles.

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I've included the anti-psychiatry link not to label anyone who dissents to Frank's diagnosis, but because that page provides a more coherent and well-reasoned argument than the arguments you're raising against the same. To respond to your claims:

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As to what readers gain from this label, I've answered that before: it answers the common question "what's wrong with Frank" succinctly, in a familiar, objective, externally-defined phrase which is essential to understand anything else about him.

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because we have not seen him entirely break character does not mean that we should close the book on the possibility that a performer is what he is - even if he, like Brother Jed, does turn out to be performing in the service of his delusions.

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To call Frank "schizophrenic" in the first sense is merely pejorative, and even if it were an appropriate thing to do, a better word for the job would simply be "crazy" since that word doesn't have the same unearned pretentions of rigor.

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Brother Jed has what I believe to be severe delusions. For instance, he believes that all of the stories in the Christian Bible are literal, historical truth. His life is almost entirely oriented around serving these delusions.

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friendly face causes Frank to drop this "character". Why would Frank immediately drop character when meeting a fan who appreciates this character? Why wouldn't Frank launch into an even more inspired "act" to please his fans?

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Even inside the discipline of psychiatry (not just, as Sorenr would have it, among "anti-psychiatry advocates"), schizophrenia is seen as poorly-defined, inconsistently-diagnosed, and dismayingly subjective (See, for instance

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expressions as something that need not be given full human consideration. So I think that such assertions should meet a higher standard of accuracy and relevance before they're thrown around in descriptions of people here.

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But regardless, neither of us is qualified to be giving Frank any such diagnosis, whether or not we think he meets the criteria in our lay opinions, even if we use weasel-words like "consistent with" next to the diagnosis.

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believes that he suffers under the weight of his delusions. But in any case, we know little to nothing about Frank "prior to the onset" of this occupation and lifestyle, and so have no way to affirm this necessary test.

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refrain from passing on judgements made by doctors of psychiatry and other mental health professionals whose opinions are shared by a very large percentage of Frank's academically-unqualified friends including myself.

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of this guy before, but I'm thinking either he has barrels of money for lawyers AND knows people, or it isn't the same guy. That, or the page is misleading. Did he serve his jail sentence and was released for example?

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I just am skeptical of psychiatric labels, particularly those given in fly-by and or untrained and completely speculative diagnoses, but even those given in officially-sanctioned settings by officially-designated

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experience in mental health care, one trained as a psychiatric counselor, another with a past career as an orderly at a psychiatric ward for schizophrenics, also share the opinion that Frank is schizophrenic.

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If you have information about Frank's level of achievement in his former occupations that we can use to compare with his remarkable level of achievement in his current occupation, please do share this.

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his social interactions are in some way bad or wrong, you can say that he is performing "below" what he would be if he weren't so sick, but that would be your biases disguised as a medical diagnosis.

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It is reasonable to describe Frank's stated perceptions, interpretations, and delusions, and his behavior in this wikipedia entry. It is unreasonable to use these to publish an armchair diagnosis.

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information is not consistent with a neutral point of view: otherwise holocaust deniers could simply announce "we disagree whether the holocaust occurred, so let's delete the whole section".

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As I watched him, I entertained the idea that maybe he was putting us on, and that he was using this caricature of a deranged and sex-obsessed fire-and-brimstone preacher for effect.

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at a police officer who came to investigate, but missed. Police cordoned off a ten-square-block area for three hours. Chu eventually released his hostages and surrendered to police.

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As for the Wesley Willis comparison, I will note that Wesley Willis, to the best of my knowledge, *was* diagnosed with both paranoid schizophrenia and moderate mental retardation.

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agree that it is appropriate to apply the label "schizophrenic" to Frank Chu, nor that Frank Chu "is" (a) schizophrenic, nor that this term is not misleading when applied to him.

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The standards you require (formal documentation from Frank's psychologist) are impossible to meet: they would be illegal to reveal due to doctor/patient confidentiality.

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Saying "ouch" is consistent with having been hit in the head with a rock, but does not itself alone constitute evidence that one has been hit in the head with a rock.

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eccentric. That these delusions and this behavior rises to the level of harm necessary for an illness label like "schizophrenia" to apply, however, is controversial.

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When Hooks returned to the three-story pink stucco house at 617 Jackson Street, Chu fired a shot at the officer. The shot missed and Hooks called for reinforcements.

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One is colloquially, in which sense the term roughly means "crazy" but often carries implications of "dangerous" and "afflicted with multiple personality disorder."

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The Oakland police hostage-negotiating team persuaded Chu to release 11 family members, who were led to safety across the street at the Pringle Meat Co. warehouse.

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Even this unattainable standard would not be sufficiently convincing to Moorlock because he opposes not Frank's diagnosis, but any application of the term itself:

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I disagree -- what happened after this referenced 1985 standoff with police? That's a big part of the history and it's tossed out and dropped with no followup.

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non-professional context as a presumed explanation for somebody's eccentric behavior (as opposed to, for example, in a professional context to guide treatment).

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The reader of the Frank Chu page would be better served by factual descriptions of Frank's behavior and his stated beliefs than by speculative lay diagnoses.

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Recklessly pathologizing people threatens all of us. Every time we label some minority behavior as pathological this tighten the screws on the rest of us.

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Sorenr and I differ as to whether Frank is thriving or suffering in his current occupation and lifestyle. I consider him very successful and innovative;

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also consistent with demonic posession. If you sincerely believe it to be applicable I would have no problem adding it as an alternative explanation.

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delusions, and more as an extremely dedicated and persistently in-character performance artist. Best to give him the benefit of the doubt either way.

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There's still no reason to even mention schizophrenia in Frank's entry. The perceptions, interpretations, behavior and delusions you refer to

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accurate, I question its precision. In any case, I think it's a poor choice of methods to use to describe Frank in a wikipedia entry.

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An armed, mentally disturbed man took his family hostage in Oakland last night and held 30 officers at bay for more than three hours.

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Foskett said that Chu will be charged with assault with a deadly weapon on a police officer and battery on members of his family.

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little round-about and squirrely. Still, it is preferable to your construction of "consistent with," which implies too much.-

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he is merely deluded, and not in a particularly uncommon or (except metaphorically) pathological way.

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pilot, even if he did not have an FAA pilot's license and even if I was not an FAA license officer.

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of the symptoms of a hundred different things - choose one that's a little less loaded, maybe!

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and so on. It is beyond belief that the article has existed in this state for so long. Before

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schizophrenia." This isn't the sort of thing where you get to say, "ah well, close enough."

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This is such a complete bio...there is more here than the bios of much more famous people.

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Commander-in-Chief (are you willing to add your armchair diagnosis to Dubya's wiki page?)

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expected to interpret it, it's not neutral, and if I point this out, that doesn't make

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of occupational dysfunction, public recognition and free Budweisers notwithstanding.

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