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atmopshere but heavy clouds. In "There is a Tide" this results in Louis predicting the moon existance. In Protector this describes what planets are food planets. In one (forgot the title) a time traveler accidentally destroys Earth's moon and the Earth ends up like Venus. This seems to indicate a consistancy making "Bordered in Black" quite a strong cantidate for being a Known Space story if not actual Known Space canon, since KS changes as technology changes (Mercury's dark side is not "The Coldest Place", as it is not tidally locked). Should alternate futures discredit a universe? Overcee (from BiB) does reach a typical food-planet, using typical hyperdrive (but long prior to any slowboat colonization of extrasolar planets), and Niven does say in KS stories that humans could have built a hyperdrive if they'd bothered to experiment outside our local gravity well. Perhaps a subsivision of the list into "Canon" and "Mythos", the latter being older stories that are less acurrate and primitive, as well as not fitting in the timeline.

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info from (the joke) Down in Flames or the arguably non-canonical Man-Kzin War stories (definitely non-canonical in at least one case). I don't yet feel comfortable enough to make significant changes here (in part because some of the changes would be major spoilers for those later works), but if no one else steps in I eventually will, unless someone points out why such changes shouldn't be made.

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fathers "equal time". The purpose of Earth's Fertility Laws are to ensure Zero Population Growth, not to punish desperate mothers. It's a proven historical fact that killing off potential fathers has little effect on the number of pregnancies in a culture (look it up if you don't believe me). Killing off illegal fathers would have little effect on the number of illegal pregnancies. --

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has been about paternity ("being a mother is a matter of fact, but being a father has always been a statement of opinion"). At other points in the Canon ("Long ARM"?), the jaundiced description of an impending mother-hunt suggests that the coppers (I mean ARM) would like to catch the errant sperm donors too.

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isn't the final solution from the stories, although Niven makes a mystery of their absence through several books. It was revealed in RINGWORLD THRONE that after the first generation, a Protector dictator monopolized the "tree-of-life" supply so that no rival Protectors would arise to challenge him.

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They Who Pass appear only in the novel-length version of A Darker Geometry, by Greg Benford and Mark O. Martin, where they are described as the creators of the Outsiders (and, indirectly, of the Ringworld as well). The short story version in Man-Kzin Wars VII doesn't mention them- they appear only in

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It appears that the bulk of this article hasn't been updated in many years. Specifically, significant bits of info in this article are modified or obsoleted by material in the Fleet of Worlds series (and probably the last couple of Ringworld books), which seems much more relevant and important than

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Well, it's a kind of of shorthand. If you want to get real picky, bandersnatchi survived. If you rule out immunity, then there were beings in stasis who survived as well. "With a notochord" means "with a backbone and intelligence but without immunity or stasis protection" IMHO, and it comes from the

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Proserpina relates a tale of the Pak expedition which built the Ringworld. But this is related as a story told by the character, not as fact, so readers are free to believe or disbelieve it. However, it matches the backstory of who built the Ringworld which Niven has been telling privately for quite

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You slightly overstated the case. Organ banks are still being used for capital punishment in the Beowulf Shaeffer era, altho apparently only for especially heinous crimes. In "Flatlander", Bey says "Using the fusion drive in Earth's atmosphere would have gotten us into the organ banks, in pieces."

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who refuse birth control". In at least one point in the canon Louis Wu remarks (to Teela?) about both men and women getting their birth control shots deactivated, and the point re-surfaces in later Ringworld novels too. Obviously there's an evidential issue there for the ARM as much as there always

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I've added in a table with all of the short stories and novels of Known Space from 1964 to 1975. It's at the bottom right now, but optimally it would be above the spoiler line. Given the sheer number of stories in the series, it may be prudent to break this list off to a separate page. (I looked for

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The Nonesuch are mentioned in the species section, but it is also noted that they are from Convergent Series. They do not appear in any of the Known Space stories that I am aware of (and I am the author of the Encyclopedia of Known Space) - seems like it would be appropriate to delete them from the

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The section on this species claimed that the Tnuctipun-Slaver War ended with the death of every creature in the galaxy "with a notochord". Actually in Known Space it's the ramscoop field that kills anything with a notochord. Various stories have claimed the war ended with the death of all life in

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Concerning the "gravity control" comment -- Niven HAD addressed it. In the trasititional chapter of PROTECTOR he says the scientists have been unable to reverse-engineer the abandoned Pod for two centuries, because the paranoid PAK had deliberately made it difficult for outsiders to figure out how

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Now wait just one minute, Niven has also said, in yet another collection (forget which one) that Known Space has taken on a life of its own. Just because Niven once said "XYZ" is not in the series doesn't mean that he doesnt change his mind (OFTEN) and tweak things (OFTEN). just how many times does

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i always thought one of niven's best ideas was the puppeteer breeding program - a license to reproduce on earth, a rare and valuable thing, could be obtained by winning a global lottery; the puppeteers thought this involved luck, and they bred lottery winners in hopes of producing a lucky person.

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I recall in Ringworld every member of the expedition to the Ringworld was equipped with a flashlight laser weapon hybrid, and Speaker was equipped with an absurdly powerful laser weapon capable of destroying buildings which was originally used for mining. Sadly I have not read enough of the Known

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What's never been addressed in any Known Space story is that humans already had a working example of a gravity control device! Pshtth-pok the Pak Protector dropped his on Mars long before (in the timeline, not in the order of Niven's writing) the events in "The Warriors". The ARM would definately

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Hmm, some of the stories are not, strictly speaking, in the Known Space universe. To quote the notes from Convergent: "Bordered in Black does not belong in the Known Space universe...When I wrote bordered in black, Known Space had not taken form." Larry then mentions some ideas from BiB were used

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Hopefully this makes it clear that "Down in Flames" should not be considered canonical, and hopefully we can drive a stake thru the heart of the notion that the Tnuctipun are really Kzinti. According to "The Soft Weapon", the Tnuctipun were small compact bipeds with two opposable thumbs on each

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Meh. Nothing in that article that couldn't be explained in a four word parenthetical comment after the word singleship appears in another article, and it's not like anyone is going to be searching for "singleship" except by following a link where the word appears in another article if they don't

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They're called "Mother hunts" because men can't get pregnant. Political Correctness has no influence over how biology works. The ARMs' desire to avoid mother hunts has everything to do with not liking the idea of executing a woman just for wanting a baby, and nothing to do with wanting to give

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But, I've noticed at least 5 stories (Bordered in Black is one of them) where Larry mentions the "now discredited" theory ("fact" in the stories) that an earth sized planet needs a big moon to not have a super thick Venus-like atmosphere. In BiB this results in a small planet having an earthlike

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The description of Earth was out-dated. By the time of Louis Wu, the organ-banks and the draconian legal system that made all crimes capital crimes had been discarded. This came about as a direct result of the human-turned-protector Jack Brennan manipulating human society in such as way as to

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I'd be interested in the various POVs on what may have happened to them (the mention of evolving into Kzin notwithstanding; some of the tnuctip technology just seems too advanced to justify being kzin, for example the morphing multitool; I don't see how a highly technological (and so presumably

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as "Epsilon Indi 2 (2nd of 5 planets in the system including + 200 randomly distributed and charted asteroids ; gravity 1.08 ; diameter 8,800 miles 14,000km ; rotation 23h10m ; year 181 days ; atmosphere 23% Oxygen, 76% Nitrogen and 1% non-toxic trace gases; sea level pressure 11psi ; 1 moon,

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This is an overstatement. Niven very deliberately leaves just what killed off most of the protectors on the Ringworld an open question. We know that the Repair Center under the Map of Mars had its own tree-of-life (TOL) garden, and that TOL (necessary for protectors to survive) had died off

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easily finding the reports of the ARM's attempts to understand the Pak polarizer. The ARM hadn't had any significant success (which may be an ARM lie!), so it would seem that they eventually gave up until the Kzinti made it an important question again. IF the ARM did solve the problem, they

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Does anyone know the title of the draft final Known Space story in which someone goes to rendezvous with the Lazy Eight to retrieve Greenberg, who reveals that the Kzinti are in fact descended from the Tnuctipun? If so, can they stick the name in the article at the end where I mentioned it?

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diameter 1200 miles, gravity 0.2 surface composition roughly lunar ; discovery reported 2094 via ram-robot exploration probe ; settlement 2189 by a combination of slow boats and ram robots" ; Home's system has a gas giant "Godzilla", as Ep.Indi.5, apparently very pretty ; )

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In the only Man-Kzin Wars story written by Niven, "The Warriors", the 'Angel's Pencil' disables the first sublight Kzinti warship encountered by humans. From that ship, humans supposedly learn about gravity control and in a surprisingly short time make extensive use of it.

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a number of years. And no, unfortunately I can't document that, it's something read long ago in a post to the LarryNiven-l discussion list. But Niven does make it clear that his intention was that the Pak built the Ringworld; this is stated in "Afterthoughts" in

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The Tnuctipun *did* die out at the end of the Tnuctipun-Slaver War. The idea for "Down in Flames" was to completely trash the entire Known Space series. It's doubtful that Niven ever had any real intention of writing the story, and at any rate, he has stipulated

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Yeah... I can do that. But there is some overlap and I don't necessarily know the most recent collection that a story appeared in. I'll add in what I have and I hope it can be edited with more recent data by someone who owns the collections that I'm not aware of.

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article appears to have no independent notability. Its notability has been questioned since February 2012 and its relevance to the encyclopedia project as a whole has been question since April 2008 as being just an in-universe acticle without explanation of

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While I'd have guessed it was a unique name, should I assume the Hal Colebatch who was an Australian politician who died in 1953 is not the same Hal Colebatch who was publishing science fiction in the 1990's? And if so, we should disambiguate the names.

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the galaxy, or every *intelligent* being. That's quite a difference! Actually the claim all life was ended must be an overstatement; the food yeast on various planets which later developed into various Known Space species clearly didn't die out.--

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makes many of the assumptions of DiF obsolete. Bottom line-- DiF is just an outline for a "what if" story-- not a story Niven actually wrote. Or, if you prefer: DiF is an elaborate joke, having no bearing on the canon (fictional reality) of Known

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promote alternative medical practices in order to extend life (including the development of boosterspice and making cloned organs cheaper), as well as the development of the science of psychistry itself. Appropriate changes have thus been made.

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It's quite normal for an author to use similar ideas in different stories which are not necessarily set in the same universe. That's not an indication they should be part of the same series-- it's just an indication they have the same author.

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The bandersnatch link under Races points to the Lewis Carroll description. While this is probably where the name came from, it really should not point directly to that, since the other races point to their own descriptions. Just a thought.

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presumably kept it controlled because a consequence of the technology becoming widespread would have been worse than myriads of Belters chasing around the Solar System propelled by modified fusion bombs. Hmmm, that must have been bad.

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I still get letters asking me when I'm going to write "Down in Flames," the novel that proves that everything we know about known space is an elaborate hoax. It was an elaborate joke! Ask Norman Spinrad, for Ghu's Sake. He started

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tnuctip; then again, it's where his line of though is going, and presumably his image of the two, being the source material, sees the two as linked. Is this regression, decadence? See my earlier comment, section below... hmm.

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I was a huge fan of Niven for all the years of my youth (70s-80s). I've been making some minor changes to this article for some time now. For example, I'm trying to make the tenses consistent. Any feedback is appreciated.

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The link should point to Hal Colebatch jr, most likely (The politician was his father). Or possibly Hal Gibson Pateshall Colebatch, or Hal G. P. Colebatch (like is used to distinguish George Bush from W). I'll try it with

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addressed in the "Interlude" section of Protector. Phssthpok's ship was left on Mars, with the gravity polarizer still turned on-- they were afraid to turn it off-- and a base was built around it to study it

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Going on the logic that it's all just fictional stories anyway, allow some flexibility, and dont argue every little thing. Most of the MKW series contradicts Known Space, and everyone just rolls with it.

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Also, the protectors died off about half a million years ago, and Bram (the "incompetent" protector ruling the Ringworld) only came to power about 1200 A.D. See my "Timeline for the Ringworld" <

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Subsequent dictators used the same strategy. The fact that the Ringworld seems abandonned during the plot of the books is because it has been "ruled" for centuries by an incompetent Protector.

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the Teela Brown story need to be revisited? It changes in each RW novel. If you take any one thing that Larry has said and treat it as gospel, then he himself is his own greatest heretic.

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It was a good edit from an accuracy perspective, and it's way better stylistically too. One quick question: should Suicide Night be in the Thrint blurb instead of the Tnuctipun section?

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If it's non-canon, what's it doing here? Is this something from the Man-Kzin Wars that several stories mention? Is it just something someone wrote fan fiction about and put here?

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I'm pulling it, but I thought I'd put it up here in case it is something that's got a real connection to the universe through the Man-Kzin Wars stuff, which I mostly have not read.

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Larry's humanism seems to have got caught up in late-60s social expectations, and it's getting a bit tangled now. I never did understand the economics of Known Space anyway.

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logical) civilisation would revert to hand-to-hand fighting, and not have the tech to defeat humans in multiple successive wars. Presumably the bandersnatch would know...

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An up to date, complete list of KS stories, along with the Niven collections they can be found in, can be found at my Incompleat Known Space Concordance bibliography <

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That's brilliant; I'm looking forward to the next tranche. Would it be feasible to also annotate the stories with a book in which they might be found? (For example

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story. Nasty suspicious fans (like me) may suspect the ARM allowed experiments on Phssthpok's ship to continue until a prototype gravity generator was developed,

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shut down the research. That would explain why humans were able to develop a prototype so quickly from (apparently) nothing more than photos and measurements.--

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Niven has ruled "A Darker Geometry" is non-canonical, per Edward M. Lerner, Niven's co-author on "Fleet of Worlds". Lerner's comments (as "EML") can be seen

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one, I hope there isn't already a book list elsewhere.) The list also need finished, but I don't have a ready and complete source for the remainder yet.

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I've edited the paragraph on "Down in Flames" in the "Playground" section to better reflect the fact that the article is not canonical.--

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The reason "Bordered in Black" isn't a Known Space story is because Niven clearly says it's not. No other "evidence" should be required.

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Kalaong, why did you delete reference to martial arts? Also, what you added, while plausible, amounts to OR. Can you source it?

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The above article is very short, and may be AfD'd in the near future if left by it self. I propose it be merged into this article?

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understand it. But if you really want to save it, I think it would make more sense to merge it with the belter article than here.

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I added a link to it on the main page. It is available to view in html on his officially "unofficial" webpage larryniven.org:

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Re: the "citation needed," it's mentioned near the very end of "Grendel" that, "Someone had even advised Lloobee on color."

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Space books to know if there is enough information on these technologies to warrant adding a section dedicated to this.

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to operate it. A later generation might have managed it, but the capture of the Kzinti device made it unnecessary.

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Niven states just before writing the main story "...remember, it's all a hoax". This implies that Kzin

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beamed pictures and analysis of the Kzinti warship destroyed in "The Warriors". At least that's the

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I'm not at all happy about the description of the ARM as policing population control by hunting "

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Shouldn't at least some of these planets get their own pages? And I think ARM certainly should.

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Care to explain that, as it's explained in one of the books that the Pak created the Ringworld.

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there IS a list of stories in chrono. order, but it's not complete. I have it at the start of "

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on 4 May 2016. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected page, please see

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Though they share a superficially pentaradial body plan, they are not a related species (

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is in the Niven table. However, it's not yet out yet, and is set to be co-authored with

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have recovered, studied it and suppressed the knowledge of the technology.

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I came up with these details of a couple of KS planets from Protector :

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the novel, and Niven has never confirmed them as Canon to my knowledge.

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to new 'Terms section to warn off would be movers and or renamers. //

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http://edward-m-lerner.blogspot.com/2010/09/of-gwoth-and-jotoki.html

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Why not use Niven's own term from the ARM stories, "mother hunts"?

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later, like the Blind Spot. Same for "One Face" and some others.

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