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335:" protecting humanity" Are you kidding ? Refer to is said about it in the Koran and hadiths. BTW "Abrahamic tradition " is not vague at all: it's Judaism + Christianity + Islam. And aloka is a (= negation) + loka ("world). This is precisely the signification of "outer darkness" (beyond the world illuminated i.e.knowledgeable in a universal manner). Such concepts are basic in symbolism studies. And, once again, lokaloka is a circular mountain, depicted precisely as a protection. The subject and its connections has already been discussed elsewhere, you won't delete anything. 156: 22: 80: 53: 90: 379:
Islam is normally regarded as an Abrahamic religion, because the Quran is based largely on Jewish and Christian traditions and texts circulating in the Arabian peninsula in the early 7th century. The Gog/Magog (Yajooj/Majooj) material in the Quran, however, is not from any Christian or Jewish source,
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Przyluski is clear that he believes that Koka and Vikoka are derived (via Arabic literature) from Gog and Magog: "Koka et Vikoka ne sont pas des noms aryens et il est tenant de les rapprocher de Gog et Magog. Ces deux noms ont pu pénétrer dans l'Inde par l'intermédiaire de la littérature arabe."
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This is becoming pityful: the circular shape of Lokâloka is explicitely written in hindu texts and the wall described in the Koran is... koranic and hence Abrahamic. Now your edits are becoming clearer: you are trying to introduce the fact that Islam is not an "Abrahamic tradition". Good luck...
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He is definitively notable, and metaphysics is intrinsically related to the subject, just as theology and classical scholastics are related to Christian texts. By the way, you'd be better off providing citation for your (interesting) depiction of Koka and Vikoka's "faces". Interestingly, it
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This is not so - Abrahamic tradition (whatever that vague term might mean) does not include a a "great wall" protecting humanity, the "lokaloka" is not a wall but a mountain range, and "aloka" does not mean "outer darkness" (it means "not-world"). I'll delete it if it can't be
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The article says: "...comparing the concept of the "great wall" (which in the Abrahamic tradition protects humanity against Gog and Magog) with the Hindu notion of a "circular wall" (Lokâloka) which separates the "world" (loka) from "outer darkness" (aloka)."
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The wall in the Quran comes from the Alexander Romance, which is not part of Abrahamic tradition (part of the Alexander tradition, perhaps). The hadiths, of course, are simply elaborations of the Quran. The remainder of your reply is erroneous.
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but from a 6th Century Syriac version of the Alexander Romance. But the real thing is, you need relevant reliable sources to support your idea that Koka/Vikoka have any connection with Gog/Magog. If you can't find these, the material has to go.
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After all this nonsense about lokaloka, now about Islam and the Qur'an. You are completely out of the point, as usual. The reference has been given, I see no reason to pursue that discussion. If you withdraw the edit, I will reintroduce it.
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I thought we'd established that Rene was self-educated, had no academic training, never held an academic position, never published in peer-reviewed outlets, and is never cited by modern scholars. We have to stick to reliable sources.
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Guénon is not explicit in the idea of the Great Wall being Islamic, he regularly alternates between Islam and Hinduism without noting when he has changed lanes. As such, the current material appears to be interpretation rather than
492:, when this dispute goes to resolution, which will happen very soon, these two articles (this and Gog/Magog) can be dealt with together. The basic point is, articles have to have reliable sources. 442:
He's not notable - if he were he'd be cited by reliable sources in the relevant field, and he isn't. This is not an article about metaphysics, it's about Hindu mythology.
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If Przyluski's suggestion (made in I think 1928?) has not been accepted by modern scholarship it's a less than fringe idea and shouldn't be mentioned.
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Nevermind, I just recently found out that they are just similarly named people in the 4,320th century when this prophecy is supposed to happen.(
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does not touch on Gog and Magog, either. As far as can be demonstrated, this idea appears to only be brought forth by Przyluski (who
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The conflict resolution has been already set up, per a request from you BTW, and the conclusion does not follow your views.
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I agree he's not an academic, but he is a notable author, acknowledged as such by best european academics (for instance at
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likewise noted that their names were "obviously similar," combining their apocalyptic roles in his book
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The Kalki Purana does not elaborate on which Bakasura this is. I'm writing a small book based on this
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and I need to know which one this is. Its kind of hard since both lived during the time of Krishna.
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Abrahamic tradition (whatever that vague term might mean) does not include a a "great wall
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corresponds to the classical depiction of Yajooj and Majooj in islamic eschatology...
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sources would be available. If there are no sources, zealotry is not a substitute.
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Abegg's "Der Messiasglaube in Indien und Iran, auf Grund der Quellen dargestellt,"
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were derived from Gog and Magog via Arabic literature.
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The Purana also states "The Twins" were grandsons of
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