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Printed media section (barring the idea of having seperate sections for Novels and Manga). Point being, KonoSuba doesn't really have the notability of Sherlock to warrant that kind of formatting and is better suited to following the format of other light novel articles (no point complaining about OtherStuff, because that is in essence what both of us are doing), and as an Animedia article, that is the format a lot of users are going to be comfortable with. I took out the Drama CD section based on other editor's feedback concerning its lack of notability. Maybe if a game or mobile app gets announced, they can both go in an Other Media section, but for now, it's referenced in the lead so that's fine enough.
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While I'm not sure how that helps attract viewers, the added description of its comedy elements does give the lead a bit more meat without repeating the entire plot section. In the future, though, I would stick to using "and" over "&", the latter of which should only be used for titles and not in
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You do realise that "I'm conforming this structure to other non-anime books and films." and "This style has been used before in my previous GAs" falls under "Other stuff". You really need to point out how your structure is better over this one, lest people accuse you of "owning the
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It'll help attract more viewers! KonoSuba is actually the most popular show this season in Japan (It's actually the only show not flopping this season), but is doing poorly here (MAL, Reddit etc) because of the stigma surrounding Studio DEEN & fantasy rebirth shows.
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