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reception section is necessary, although the one in the development section is fine). Meanwhile, the references issue that was mentioned in the first GAN from 2008(!), where certain references to the DVD booklets merely state that the information is from the DVDs, when in fact (as mentioned in the aforementioned GAN) they are from the booklets which
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statements from a DVD volume rather than something more specific. There is a mix of good, specific sources, and inappropriately broad sources. A DVD volume in an of itself is not a valid source for anything except its existence (and then its unneeded). Those sources, like #3, need cleared up and made specific to either episodes or DVD features.
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It's both. Short references are generally used with a different citation style than the one being used here, so its a mix of styles when the MOS calls for consistency. I also feel its being inappropriately applied as the point of short style is that there is first a full ref, then future use of that
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If those are DVD booklets, that needs to be clearer. I disagree on using shortened forms as the references are confusing and it is not clear where much of the information is coming from, like those DVD booklets. It is particularly odd that you feel it would clutter the references when the references
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recommends to avoid linking ELs in the main article). There are two left-facing images (the Yurine/Karas, and the Nue CG). I have tried staggered layout but they came worse off when it comes to flow of reading by pushing the beginnings of paragraphs off to one side on my resolutions (1680px, and 1024
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The references should use consistent inline formatting and accurate formatting. The ones below the specific references don't seem to be necessary as they are just a listing of the DVD volumes. DVDs don't have pages, yet several references to DVD volumes are listing page numbers. The reference section
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It could be better but it's probably good enough for GA. My standing issues are the caps with KARAS, long plot, and reception structure but that can be addressed or enforced by someone who really cares. Naruto can take the lead on this GAN and choose to continue to pursue the issues or close this as
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has a DVD and a booklet (説X). The references with page numbers are not DVD references but booklet references. For the DVDs, each has special programs, such as "The Making of Karas", "Project K", and interviews. Having to fill out these fields time and again for each entry which come from one part of
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the DVD. Thus, there is an inconsistency with citation styles, which is fine for maybe B-class articles and below but can be a bit jarring for a GA. For the themes section, it isn't clear what "volumes" are being cited: do they refer to the DVDs, or to the booklets? The MOS issues from the previous
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Of the two 404s, the Gline was eliminated by Serdar who is reorganizing all the websites he was managing (as explained in the now redirected link if you try to access the site). This is a recent event in March, and certainly after the end of
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This is my first time giving comments on a GAN of an article which I wasn't involved in, so I'll make this quick. I see that the fair use rationales of each of the above images is asserted, but I feel that there may be a bit too many images in the article (I'm not exactly sure if the image in the
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The MOS is flexible, but I do not feel the confusion aspects justify the rearranging in this case, though part of that is also really an issue with the MOS itself in that it doesn't adequately discuss dealing with settings and themes. (I've started a discussion on the MOS talk page about that if
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A previous contributor wrote that the series was based on the Dark Horse comic, which is not true. The series is an original concept and was in development since at least 2003 (see the special features of the first DVD, "Original
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Entertainment also promoted the hero in Karas as "a cyberpunk version of the Crow"." Are all five of the last sentences in Mikuras section from that single source? Some of the rest I considered unsourced because of the questionable sources issue, namely sourcing
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Um, no? There would be 24 references for the booklets and DVDs of the 6 volumes, each with its own ISBN, author, date, section, title, etc; not 3. Now that I look at it, I think the dicussion is getting moot since it seems to be based on style preferences, not policy.
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I was able to watch ova's 4 (subbed) and 5 (raw) at anime expo. Should I add a temporary synopsis for 4 and 5? (I did not understand what they were saying in 5 since it was raw but I got the gist of it ). OVA 4 also revealed Otoha's past; should I add that as well?
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a reference source (said DVD volume) would be messy, especially with duplicate fields again and again (ISBN, DVD volume, authorship, date). Hence shortened forms are a good choice, reducing the clutter in the references section.
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did it state "Media section should be two paragraphs, one for the episodes/DVDs, one for the soundtrack". The soundtrack has only one statement regarding its information which fails to qualify for it having its own
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viewed on its own was a confusing affair (which I have reflected in the
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is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Knowledge policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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You guys are idiots. Somebody comes and kindly explains why an image in the article doesn't meet Knowledge policy and all you guys have to say is "go away, you need to be banned."
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I knew what you mean, and I think it would be fine, particularly since that's only 3 listings for the DVD making ofs if you are using named refs :)
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