Talk:Kitchen - Knowledge

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venture into this central section except to receive their servings or to prepare food themselves. The house is a mobile structure because Mongolian climate and lifestyle let one live easier by moving around. This wouldn't be a kitchen by defining that it must be a room but it clearly serves the function of a kitchen. A sushi restaurant usually prepares a sushi right infront of customers and except for washing dishes, which use soaps and detergents and often separated to prevent splashes, the place where sushi chef prepares has all functions of a kitchen. Few would consider that they are eating in a kitchen when they go because they make a distinction that places they are eating are a separate "room". By defining the kitchen like this, we wouldn't have to go into an argument over what a room must be and how different a tepee and a poor man's house with only a single room and why former would be lacking a kitchen while latter would have one.

1126:"Rationalization" is a well-known name for that period. I could also have used the (trite) "Form follows function", which is a famous catchphrase of that architetural movement. Early kitchens were of course not intentionally "irrational". But they were often not planned up-front and by modern ergonomic standards, they were arranged in ways that were far from optimal, partly owing to the fact that they also often had to serve other purposes. I admit that "Technization" might need to be replaced by something better. "Free for all" is, AFAIK, an expression meaning "Everybody may do as he likes", the "all" meaning "everybody", which here clearly refers to "all the architects". I'd let that one stand, because it expresses nicely the fact that today technology has advanced to the point where the architecture of the kitchen is no longer governed by technological limitations. 996:"open fire" - The article simply says "Until the 18th century, open fire was the sole means of heating food for cooking," and I think this is too simplified. Maybe these facts belong in "Stove", but to my knowledge, "charcoal" was being used as early as 8th century in Japan and I think it had been in use much earlier somewhere. A fire from charcoal is easier to control than a fire from firewoods and lets out fewer sparks. In some parts of Africa and Mongolia, where wood is scarce, droppings of animals were used as a fuel. I think they some in Middle East did that too. In some tribes of Native Americans living near the North Pole, fat of animals were used as the fuel. Maybe there should be something about how people cooked before and after they took residence in a cave. 330: 384: 363: 843: 822: 190: 617: 853: 2154: 394: 321: 499: 2204: 489: 468: 1744:. I don't want to include everything from that article: that wouldn't make sense, as it is already (even though it is still growing rapidly) far more detailed. But I think it may well make sense to add some of that info, because I suspect we won't find dramatic differences for kitchens worldwide in that time period. Already, there 2018: 1984:

i noticed that u have said some things that are making what you call the west look less advanced, for example you say the stove wasnt used in the west until the 18th century yet you talk about romans using a stove. Also Rome had running water in the west way before industrialization. It just seems

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There are but be careful how you phrase them. You got mixed up on the difference between "kamado" and "irori" and it's fixed. Irori uses a smaller fire sometimes using charcoal to make it safer. A very poor people's home had only a kamado because you couldn't cook rice in a irori, not enough heat.

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I think this should be "A kitchen is a room or a section of a house dedicated to use for food preparation." For example, a traditional Mongolian house only has a large single room and occupants live around the center where a stove is there and foods are prepared. Male occupants of this house rarely

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The office in which I work has a room we call the kitchen with a refrigerator, microwave oven, toaster oven, sink, and some dishes and food preparation supplies. All offices (all in the U.S.) in which I have worked (7 since 1992, the oldest built in 1965) have had at least a sink, refrigerator, and

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The church I attend has a special room with a refrigerator, oven, stove, sink, microwave oven, cabinets with limited food and ample plates and cups, serving utensils and such. In fact, most of the (all Protestant) churches I've seen in the United States have similar facilities typically in the same

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Why is Vietnamese_kitchen.jpg here with the embarrassing caption "Kitchen in Vietnam before a lunch"? If it's supposed to illustrate the merging of dining and kitchen furniture/appliances within a cramped space, e.g. in a small condominium unit, the picture is supposed to be alongside a part of the

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I think it would be great for a bit of history as to why it is named "kitchen". Afterall, Why is it not called the foodroom or the cookingroom? We have a bedroom, a front room, a bathroom, a laundry room, a living room and a dining room. The only room in the house without "room" is the kitchen. Why

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These are some of suggestions and I will try to write out other things which are too numerous to list. Because I'm not sure how informations on other cultures would fit into this article, when I write about them, I will simply add them at the end of this article. After finished with writing, will

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Some of titles for pargraphs seemed too general or theatrical, like "Rationalization" and "Free for all". Before technological innovations in the 20th century, kitchens were rational in their own ways and they were not exactly irrationally arranged. As for "Free for all", well, I can't figure out

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You are right, of course, as far as less developed and especially rural areas are concerned. But that is a problem that you always face with these domestic developments: there is no clear cut between epochs, and many older styles continue to coexist with more modern technologies, because the latter

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Vastu Shastra dictates that the kitchen should be in the south-east part of the home as the lord of ‘Agni’ (Fire) prevails in south-east direction. The second-best option for harmony at home is a north-west location. The stove should be placed in the south-east part of the kitchen for the cook to

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from what most people first think of when they hear "kitchen", namely their average domestic kitchen. (Incidentally, this is also the reason why the "history" section focusses on the domestic kitchen.) Therefore, they're mentioned in the "Other kitchen types" section. But that section doesn't just

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Thanks for catching those things. As for the medieval kitchen, I figured it had the modern conveniences (for medieval times), though that may not be true, and the wording probably wasn't the clearest. The repetition in tended and contended was deliberate, though I'm certain another wording will

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Okay :-) ... and wouldn't you know it, I thought of military kitchens in tents. They would likely have most of the amenities of the kitchens back home, only portable. Then there are trailers and tent cooking arrangements that show up at festivals in the U.S. (and probably many others).... Yes,

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for me to consider them kitchens.) But back to your church. This "gathering hall" is, I presume, therefore not only used for holy services but also other communal gatherings, festivities and maybe even an occasional "yard sale"? And the kitchen is a decently equipped average kitchen? Or is there

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That's not exactly what I meant. Until "Industiralization", there are nothing on water. How did ancient Greeks and Romans use water? One can only guess that they used a well by reading down to "Industrialization" but can't figure out if they shared a well or had a well in each house. A castle

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This, by no means is a "Japanese" kitchen. It, in fact, is a Dutch kitchen, as is evident from the brands of products that are present in the kitchen and from the fact that it was originally uploaded in 2004 by an editor of Dutch Knowledge to accompany the Dutch article on kitchens (without any

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have "all modern conveniences": no water supply (neither hot nor cold), no fridge, no electrical appliances, etc. The caption of the picture of the European smoke kitchen also needs improving, "...tended a fire and contended with somke..." reads clumsy because of the repetition in "tended" and

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installed at that time in the living room on the other side of the wall. As such, the two images (the smoke kitchen and the drawing from 1485) should be inversed, but that causes layout problems. However, I wouldn't put all that info into the caption. The caption should not become a separate

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Don't say "house" because there are kitchens in restaurants, churches, and offices, too. Furthermore, the kitchen may be just a corner of grass and a couple of bowls under a tree. "A kitchen is an area dedicated to food preparation" seems about as correctly inclusive as it can get. --

1319:. Ok, in (sub-)tropical climates, many restaurants are actually in the open, under a light shelter in the form of a light roof held up by some wooden construction that probably nobody would call a "building". That type would maybe deserve mention in the "Other kitchen types" section. 2185:

East quadrant is considered an auspicious location for the kitchen. In diagonal plots, the north quadrant location can pose threats to female members. West quadrant gives average results for kitchen, provided the kitchen is not over or under the prayer room, bathroom or bedroom.

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Thanks for the info! As you say, not much of that goes in the caption, but the added info in the description page can help others make use of the photo for other articles, too. I've tweaked the caption to get rid of "tended" and "contended" and add "Swiss." Thanks! --

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is that? Excerpt from dictionary.com "Middle English kichene, from Old English cycene, probably from Vulgar Latin *cocīna, from Late Latin coquīna, from feminine of Latin coquīnus, of cooking, from coquus, cook, from coquere, to cook; see pekw- in Indo-European roots"

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That is probably much more of a view from the US. In Britain and much of Europe it is very common to have washing machines in kitchens, especially in inner-city areas where space is at a premium and there is no separate room available as a laundry/utility room.

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Actually, I only added the outdoor kitchen, but didn't change the definition. Upon second (or third, or n) thought I'm not happy anymore at all with adding "building" (or "house")—that would be too restrictive and exclude for instance aiplanes and ships.

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Not in most houses this isn't. Often there is a separete room called the 'laundry room' for the obvious reason. Personally, I know 1 person with a washine machine in their kitchen, and even it is in a connected closet. I believ it should be chang to:

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I'm very confused by the timeline in "early history". There are two sentences, one about monasteries and castles, that seem to say the same thing (that kitchens were in seperate buildings), but I can't tell if they're talking about the same time.

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Agreed. Revth had suggested, "A kitchen is a room or a section of a house...," and I got stuck on the "house" thing. As for outdoor kitchens, can a campsite have a kitchen with stove (or just fire), wash basin, and a few other basics? --

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does two things 1) give some context or background for the picture and 2) draw the reader into the article.) I'll be glad to try my hand at another caption for the European smoke kitchen with some more background on the picture. --

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It is very uncommon for homes or restaurants to have clothes washing machines or laundry services being done in a kitchen. A kitchen is about preparing food. Not laundry. I think the above statement should be removed

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suffice if you prefer. (In fact, I imagine you can write a much better caption for that picture than I. Where is it? When was it built? What's that rectangular hole in the wall? What else happened there? A

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Churches with kitchens—have you seen one? Surely some churches may have a kitchen in an annex building where the priest lives, but I don't know of any church having a kitchen in the main sacral room. (Now

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I see. Added a sentence on that at the beginning of the history section (before "Early history"). Castles typically (but not always) had a well in the court, some also had one in the basement of the

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article here is about the kitchen as an architectural structure, a room. However, there should be something in this article about things specific to Chinese or Indian kitchens and their history.

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or something else—may of course also have dedicated "kitchen tents" or kitchen areas within whatever is used as a shelter. But that is stretching the mainstream sense of what a kitchen is.

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The text contrasts "ground floor" with "first floor". Where I'm from, the two terms mean the same thing. (I'm guessing the "first floor" means the first floor above the ground floor. :)

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Hi. Could you be more specific on what kitchen picture you would like posted on the kitchen page in WikiPedia. There are some fitted kitchen pictures on on this websites page here:

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I agree. A kitchen is not always a "room", and it is not always a place where food is prepared. In many modern homes the dining 'room' is connecte to the kitchen.

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Also, there should be something about Chinese or Indian cooking here, most of the historical discussion in the article seems to revolve around European cooking.

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Offices with kitchens also are pretty rare, and where they have a kitchen, in what way would it differ from any odd apartment kitchen? Or were you thinking of a

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Please don't use the edit request feature to insert spam links. There is no source, indication who/what Vastu Shastra is, or why this should be in the article.

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Something about "kitchens in the space" - Cooking in 0G is a tricky business and how do they do that in a space station might be a fun information to include.

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like your saying the west was not very advanced and that would be only half true, alot was lost after rome fell but that dos not mean it never existed.

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article has a brief mention of the "kitchen on a ship" sense at the bottom. If you'd like to improve that, go ahead, but it shouldn't reflect badly on

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Here's a list of things I think could be written to improve them. I should be writing them, probably, and would do some research to add things myself.

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The goal of this article shouldn't be to enumerate any odd building that just happens to have a kitchen, but rather point out significantly different

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article treating of that modern issue (if there is) and be universalist as well (instead of implying it's a case unique to Vietnam). Right? :) --

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naturally had a well or a river close by to withstand a siege but was that in a kitchen or outside a kitchen? These details are missing.

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A photo or map of a reform, unit, or fitted kitchen would be very helpful to show the differences with what came before and after. --

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Hello themustafa25. Thank you for joining to Knowledge. While I personally don't have any suggestions, you should read these pages:

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I agree that "outdoor kitchen" meaning has got to go back in to make the link; I would place the gory details, however, in some

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The text says "representation" many times, but I don't really understand what it means. Does it mean entertaining visitors?

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Today, I have removed this image from this article, which has been in the article with a blatantly false description for

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arbitrarily list different types of buildings that just happen to have some installations where food might be prepared.

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To answer your questions: the picture shows the kitchen of the "Althuus" (meaning "old house") on the Jerisberghof in

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in the "Other kitchen types" section. A railway dining car kitchen or a Sushi kitchen or a Space Shuttle "kitchen" is

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used for cooking: that excludes e.g. in-depth treatment of stove techniques or outdoor cooking areas, and also of

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A previous version of the article made mention of the use of the phrase "outdoor kitchen" to designate e.g.

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Should there be a list of common kitchen appliances here, i.e. stove, oven, microwave, refrigerator?

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I've started to incorporate some info on developments outside Europe. For the time being, just about

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sentence beginning with "In castles and monasteries...". Where's the second sentence you mentioned?

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And...? In what way do these kitchens differ from other kitchens? (Besides, I never claimed only

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I don't think so. Most of these appliances are mentioned in the text, so no list is necessary.

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something special about this kitchen that would qualify it as a distinct type of kitchen?

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I disagree. A kitchen is in a house or similar relatively permanent structure, i.e. a

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Hey i am doing my first article and was wondering if you had any advice for me? (

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mini-article on the picture, such info should be on the image description page.

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I changed back one caption, on the illustration of the medieval kitchen. It did

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Wot, no cooker in the kitchen? Sorry, this is radically slanted, culturally.

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Why didn't you just change the caption to say "A Typical Dutch Kitchen?"

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Maybe, although I fail to see the fundamental difference from an airplane

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Why don't you add a section "etymology" somewhere and explain all this?

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Yes, but did they have kitchens, i.e. rooms dedicated to cooking? I do

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a few similarities between the development in Japan and in Europe...

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http://designskitchen.co.za/kitchen-design-add-flair-to-your-kitchen

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had kitchens —that'd be preposterous. But they'd better be inside a

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are not uniformly adopted or installed everywhere at the same time.

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Delete unrelated trivia sections found in articles. Please review

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I would be happy with "...a room or a section of a building..." (

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kitchens should also be mentioned under "Other kitchen types".

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http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:How_to_write_a_great_article

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er, isn't the photo of the Poggenpohl design what you meant?

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enumerating the locations of kitchens can be exhausting! --

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microwave oven in an area dedicated to food preparation. --

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Hello Themustafa25, what is your article going to be about?

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Oops. Reworded. My first language is showing through :-(

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Reworded it using "ground floor" and "the floor above".

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a corner of grass and a couple of bowls under a tree

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