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A good question is why does any of this matter? Magazines, books, all spend time on this. The best analysis I saw was that it was a barometer of the mood of the country in 2016 before Trump won the election - racially charged, Twitter meme culture, counter-counter-culture, anti political correctness.
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We probably have better sourcing for guns than anything else, if we had to choose one definition over another - what exactly is the "widespread" meaning, because it seems to change depending on the person's POV. Whereas the gun POV is precise and easily sourced. Either way, both guns or the ambiguous
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Prompted by the edit request below, I removed the parts of the sentence that don't seem to be supported by the sources. In my view, what at least some of the sources seem to suggest is that one of the people who originally used the phrase 'dicks out for harambe' meant it in the way of 'dicks' meaning
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All kinds of meanings flooded the internet, from it’s a statement for closeted gays to show their genitalia to each other without seeming gay to a vicious attack on
African Americans. Some interpreted it to mean “guns out” as a symbol for revenge for the gorilla’s death. Others concluded that the
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I didn't revert but was glad to see. Not everything that can be sourced should be included. This level of detail was not widely reported. Also unclear why it's important. No doubt the zoo's
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Harambe Token is not even in the body of the article at all, and even if it was, it's not so important that it should be summarized in the lead. Second, this looks like
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