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avant-garde noise outfit, a funk crew, a synth-rock band, a hardcore band, a deeply psychedelic band"; from Rolling Stone: "a genre-shuffle that added Portuguese balladry and soulful crooning to the band's militantly eclectic agenda". I believe any source which is ascribing a singular genre to the record is doing so on basis of an individual song, which is as accurate as describing an album as "instrumental" just because one track is.
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genre warring. If it can't be accurately called any one thing, it makes sense to allow the prose to speak for itself. It existed in this fashion for years until a recent spree of reverts has seen the field being added in contradiction to the sources given. If it's a "waste of the community's time" to
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If I could get anywhere by pointing at policies and having people actually discuss their edits we wouldn't be here, but I'm discussing something actually based in MOS principles while a user whose only contribution is to knee-jerk mash the undo button ignores every attempt to engage. Remind me again
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by the article, is not helpful, and it's entirely counter to MOS practices. Reverting its removal as "unexplained" despite clear explanation is disingenuous. The actual prose of the article describes a "genre shuffle", a "breadth of genres", "multiple genres", etc, which would be a strong indication
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I think the following may be worth bearing in mind--from AllMusic: "he tackles any genre put in front of him -- romantic love songs, bile-spitting rants of hate ... gospel, and breezy pop"; from Spin: "the music still careens from genre to genre"; from Metal Hammer: " a pop band, a rock band, an
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that an infobox should be used "to summarize (and not supplant) key facts that appear in the article". Sticking a genre field into the infobox which is in no way supported by the article itself, and is in fact directly
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Given the article's prose clearly discusses a breadth of genres and no sourced prose is given over to categorising the album as any one distinct thing, should an infobox genre field be omitted here in accordance with
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Its relevant if sources can be found that suggest its relevant, which for their previous albums I have. I also wouldn't consider a third to two fifths of the members of the bands a minimal connection. —
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over precise genres; I felt it best to just let the discussion of the actual music take precedence without listing a genre that will no doubt be changed thirty times back and forth by IP editors. :(
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attempt to mediate, to attempt to discuss on talk pages, to attempt to actually follow the site's own internal style guide, then I don't understand what wikipedia has become.
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Have expanded it with an extra parapgraph worth of stuff and broken it into two subheadings; if it still feels a bit brief I can see what else I could dig up.
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The album's CD liner notes don't say, and my copy of the LP doesn't have any liner notes with it. Odds are there's no official credit given for it,
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I don't see how it's relevant, since the bands are only minimally connected (via Patton and Spruance). Patton's own highly experimental
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Bringing this here because apparently edit summaries and an in-article edit note aren't enough. The manual of style is very clear at
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Linked at first reference, didn't realise I hadn't done so. Reworded the date for it to draw more attention to the release year.
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that shoehorning in some information which is not discussed in prose is not actually reflective of the subject, and is merely
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It's a waste of time to spend so much time on such a non-issue. And it's hard to believe your intention is not edit warring
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http://web.archive.org/web/20161215132619/http%3A//teamrock.com/feature/2016-12-14/the-10-essential-alt-metal-albums
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If it helps, the sources (see Rolling Stone and AllMusic, for example) explicitly describe it as a mix of styles.
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https://web.archive.org/web/20101210220222/http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/story-behind-the-album-faith-no-more/
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Then add all the infobox content in the prose too. It'd be one thing if the content was truly contradictory ie "
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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Must have overlooked that; the German chart site doesn't actually list it as having charted at all. :/ Removed.
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to add anything in support of it, and unless that is done then the current field still falls afoul of the MOS.
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Should it be mentioned that around this time, Mr. Bungle also released their most experimental record? -
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said the album was "definitely not prog rock material". But that doesn't appear to be the case.
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Thanks. Cited that, was just the same source as the one used for the paragraph.
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was a close friend of Bottum's. - In the lede you have him as Cobain's friend
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Martin had already begun skipping practice sessions with the band," in 1993?
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Should definitely have the nationality, genre too probably. Compare with FAs
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Knowledge featured topics King for a Day... Fool for a Lifetime good content
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However, if the article doesn't actually discuss what the infobox says, per
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http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/story-behind-the-album-faith-no-more/
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1992ish; I've directly mentioned that it was during the recording of
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Does anybody know the background singers at the end of Just A Man? --
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Thanks for having a look at this one for me. I appreciate it.
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this pretty directly calls the album a progressive rock album
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type stuff, and generally a waste of the community's time.
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for additional information. I made the following changes:
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Given that I believe it to be a disingenuous conclusion,
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No information where the album was recorded and the like?
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came out the next year, but I wouldn't mention it here.
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tag to deal with (direct quote, so needs a citation) —
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RFC on the inclusion of a "genre" field in the infobox
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All in all the production section is a little light.
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behaviour that serves no one. Can this please stop.
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recording session" - Huh, when? Link (if available)
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