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to a level of power/influence, or the (more likely) geographical location of the power? Someone with access to the source please qualify this based on context and change the translation to either "medium power" (or better yet "medium sized power", possibly the more distinctly correct but uglier "medium level power"), or the vastly more likely "central power" (or better yet "geographically central power", as central power is itself somewhat ambiguous). If the source does not make this explicitly clear, I suggest adopting the latter interpretation as it's almost certainly the correct one.
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in southwestern Europe, not in Asia... Like something is south of the Danube or north of the Danube. But of course below in the detailed sections we can determine the smaller geography regions inside Europe like
Carpathian Basin, Alpen, Appenin penisula, Balcan mountains, Great Hungarian plain, Transylvania, British isles, etc
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i am baffled by your response. neither of those maps challenge what i said. i already stated that the placement of present-day
Hungary is not what my point is based on. Neither of the maps you displayed place Ukraine, Romania or Bosnia and Herzegovina in Central Europe. in the second, the territories
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Ukrainian border is eastern Europe? Both city was part of kingdom of Hungary and locates inside the Carpathian basin. In this case, saying “Central Europe” means not political but geography, that state more or less locates in the center part of Europe, and not in north Europe, not
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The article (twice) contains a translation from the book
Magyarország története előidőktől 2000-ig (History of Hungary from the prehistory to 2000) that reads "middle power" (translated from "középhatalom"). This wording, regardless of grammatical correctness or elegance, is ambiguous; does it refer
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Why do we list every single regions instead providing the main concept: Central Europe. Readers should know
Hungary locates in Europe. The Carpathian Basin is located in Central Europe, but but Central Europe is the parent region. That is the lead, there are many sections and articles which provide
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While the 12th century status may well be that of a middle-power, I think King Bela IV's
Hungarian state was probably the most powerful all-around European military, if not as influential politically, and there should be sources to support this - even if the Mongols made short work of them (and all
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Central Europe. If you want split Kingdom of Hungary and the Carpathian basin by 3 geographical part, why you do not want split other modern countries by geography? Kingdom of Hungary will not be on Eastern Europe, because of Transylvania, Transylvania will be not Eastern Europe just
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The monarchy included parts of Europe widely regarded as
Eastern Europe and Southeast Europe including Bosnia and Herzegovina, southern Croatia and parts of Ukraine and Romania. The user who reverted my edits argued that Bosnia and Herzegovina was only a vassal state. It was not, it was a banate
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Hungary. My linked map clearly shows the border of Kingdom of Hungary as Central Europe and with today borders. If Transcarpathia would be not part of Ukraine just a separate state, then would you say that is Eastern Europe?
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If the concept of Central Europe is to be applied to a region that extends into what is commonly regarded as Eastern and Southeast Europe, there needs to be more than one source to support this. I feel these references should also be included in the article itself.
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As you mentioned that political regional divisions are modern concept. I bet nobody determined in the past that the polticial border between central and eastern europe will be inside the Carpathian basin when kingdom of Hungary existed. Do you say
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Hi, the source itself disputes the application of ‘Central Europe’, a modern concept (with various definitions, and in some cases absent) to the territories of the Kingdoms of Bohemia, Poland and Hungary. It is used for the purpose of
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The source itself disputes the application of ‘Central Europe’, a modern concept (with various definitions, and in some cases absent) to the territories of the Kingdoms of Bohemia, Poland and Hungary. It is used for the purpose of
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Hypotethical, if Ukraine conquer Hungary+Austria, then Austria became Eastern Europe instantly, even in the past? I do not think so. Geography does not change every decades just because borders are changing always during history.
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well this is about the location of the historical Kingdom of Hungary, which spanned the territories of several countries that exist today, not Hungary itself.
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