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738:- In the absence of someone who has a better way of writing it, I think the content of the Plot section is about as clear as can be expected. However, your edits have introduced some new odd wordings (eg "Gorgeous' aunt accepts her to visit", "the girls are greeted by her aunt who they present a watermelon which the girls leave in a well to keep it refrigerated"). If you understand what I mean, please fix these phrasings. Otherwise get another editor to look them over or, failing that, if this is all that remains when everything else is fixed I'll attempt a re-word myself. - 1067:- The "following citations" are all attached to quite distinct facts. That is to say that in each of these cases the topic changes between the "unreferenced" fact and the next citation. It may seem like overlinking, but adding another copy of the relevant citation at the end of these sections would satisfy me, and it makes it easier for future editors to add additional content to these sections without orphaning your content from its citations. - 642: 579: 565: 528: 498: 448: 438: 371: 357: 343: 236: 202: 464: 404: 617:* Referencing - The article contains many undifferentiated references to documentaries. More effort should be made to improve referencing through provision of the relevant quotes, or possibly timecodes, to improve the verifiability of the article as a whole. Thought should be given to converting the references into a split Notes/References format (such as at 595: 587: 536: 506: 473: 456: 415: 392:* While references to film presentations do not necessarily need pointers to exact times, the high number of undifferentiated references to the documentary "Constructing a House" means that the article may not meet our policies on verifiability, in that it is not clear what portion of the documentary is supposed to support the claims. As far as I can tell 387: 379: 312: 300: 287: 275: 267: 255: 247: 42: 673:- Personally I'd go further and wikilink important items in the plot description such as "watermelon", "grandfather clock", etcetera, as their importance to the article here defeats the common advice to not wikilink commonly understood words, but regardless the article now meets the standard required for Good Articles. (Review amended accordingly.) - 1135:- If it's still outstanding when all the necessary stuff is fixed I'll remove it as unnecessary to GA and pass you, but in the mean time I'll leave it there for your reference. (I'm mostly just taking my revenge for the last GA I wrote where I had to break up about 60 references to one book into individually page referenced citations. :-) - 964:- Yes, you should only call him "Nobuhiko" when it's absolutely necessary to disambiguate, so really only in the paragraph where you're also talking about his daughter. Consensus is that referring to people by their first names only is diminutive and non-encyclopaedic and should be avoided as far as possible. See 1190:
I've removed the cast section and added the individual members of the cast names in the plot. Most of the cast is covered in the production section who have more than one scene in the film and most of the young actresses were not really involved in film and just had bit parts (as they were all mostly
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now as it will only get harder as more references are added. You can do this by either (a) providing references to specific times in the documentary for each citation, or (preferably) (b) providing the specific quote that each reference is referring to in the reference. (Yes, this does mean you'd
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here - I'm not a huge expert on film articles - but the list does look a bit ugly and the style guidelines have a good point that there's no good reason that the portion of the list which is encyclopaedic information can't be dealt with through standard prose. So either find a non-list way of
777:- I've taken a pass at it myself as it was simpler to make the changes than explain them. I can't make it any clearer without having actually seen the film myself (I know it only by reputation). Given the subject matter, it's probably now about as good as can reasonably be expected. - 1163:- There needs to be something in the article on each of the notable roles in the film. For some of those, the information you have in pre-production covers them. For others, you can probably put the name of the actor in brackets in the plot section. I'm just going from 627:* Scope - It seems likely that the article can be made significantly broader in scope, including such information as the film's legacy, academic discussion, and a broader discussion of the social and industry context in which the film was made. 461:(a) I would also generally expect to see a section on the film's legacy, including influence on other films, remakes, tributes, et cetera, but while desirable I suspect this is not strictly necessary for Good Article status. 614:* The "Plot" section, which is problematic for a film this incomprehensible. More editors who have seen the film should be encouraged to help improve this into a clear, understandable guide to events in the film. 1153:"casting". Hmm. Maybe I should just scrap that cast section. Most of the actors in the film are not people who did a lot of film work (as it states in the production section). What would you suggest on this one? 1315:
I have passed the article as a Good Article and will update the relevant pages accordingly. Congratulations on your hard work bringing this notable cult film up to Good Article quality! -
954:"Nobuhiko". I used his name throughout to make it clear I'm not referring to his daughter at other times in the article. Should I only have his first name in that one paragraph then? 624:* Writing quality - While the article is generally well-written, there is room for improvement throughout the article to improve readability and draw readers in with engaging prose. 1057:"The following issues need to be addressed to meet criterion". These are all referenced by their following citations. They go through a lot, but I could expand them if you like. 80: 898:"aunt/Aunt". The girl's call her "Auntie" in the film, I can check the subtitles to see if they capitalize it or not, but for now, I've changed it back to simply "aunt". 47: 1168:
covering the relevant information, or convince me that this article is an exception and the list is appropriate. I'd be grateful for input from someone experienced in
1125:"contructing a house". ouch. That's a tricky one to re-do. I'm in no rush to push this to a FA, do you want me to try citing each one? Or can we skip this for now? :) 70: 809:- Looks good, except that now "pre-production" refers to "radio dramas" (plural) and "filming" refers to "the radio drama" (singular). Which is correct? - 126: 1293:- When I get time tomorrow I'll have a look myself so I can at least say that I'm not aware of anything specific on this topic that should appear. - 384:(b) All challengable facts are now referenced with inline citations, and as far as I am able to check the cited sources support the article content. 122: 52: 107: 167: 161: 401:
need to split the combined reference into a large number of individual ones. You will need to do this anyway to get to Featured Article.)
294:(b) The article largely complies with our style guidelines but the following issues need to be addressed in order to meet criterion 1(b): 557: 1281:"legacy": I've tried to find influence on this, but I can not find anything certain. The film was not widely-known about in the west ( 99: 75: 663:"wikilinking to explain key terms, concepts, and jargon.". I've gone through it and linked some terms, any more items to be linked? 363: 1217:
It looks fine. I've made some tweaks to the sentences on casting to improve readability and with these changes it is now okay. -
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This part should be a bit more clear. If it's still giving us trouble. I'll seek outside help before taking a stab at it again.
1199:.) Tomokazu has a very brief non-speaking role in a flash back scene, but I could dig up more information if it is desired. 1169: 241:(a) The article is largely well written but the following issues need to be addressed in order to meet criterion 1(a): 208: 376:(a) Article follows style guidelines related to referencing, including split reference list and citation templates. 329: 228: 799:"radio" Sorry, this was referring to the radio drama mentioned above. I've tried to make that part more clear. :) 1320: 1298: 1254: 1222: 1177: 1140: 1108: 1072: 1044: 1012: 973: 941: 913: 885: 853: 814: 782: 743: 715: 678: 592:(b) (Issue has been addressed.) Both images are used appropriately and feature suitable captions and alt text. 183: 150: 244:* (Issue has been addressed.) The article now appropriately wikilinks jargon, obscure terms and proper nouns. 1271: 1204: 1090: 991: 832: 761: 470:(b) The article does not go into unnecessary detail, with the exception of the cast list discussed above. 178:- After working over a list of required improvements, this article now meets the Good Article criteria. - 115: 17: 1164: 1103:
These mostly look good, except that as far as I can see the Eclipse section is still unreferenced. -
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I believe I've wikilinked anything important in the plot now (i've also included the wedding gown).
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This has been changed. It refers to him as Obayashi in all the other paragraphs now.
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I'm not so familiar with the Radio Show, but I've made it singular.
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Article appears to present all notable viewpoints without bias.
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it is not necessary to fix this for the article to meet GA
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