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grandfather who taught her that bees need to use their own honey for nutrition to obtain more energy for flying and mating. The documentary shows numerous shots of Hatidže and her neighbors during the beekeping process, including the handling of the apiaries where the bees are kept, cutting honeycombs and collecting honey in jars.
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Hello and thank you very much for doing the review! I addressed all of your comments now so I would appreciate it if you could continue the review as there are only four sections left. I will try to correct some of the sloppy paragraphs as well in the meantime.
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