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Yes, I figured we would have a special hatnote for the quantum operator and a regular hatnote pointing back to the DAB. I realize that the quantum operator is more popular (because of the "quantum" adjective) but it has less historical education value, as it is based on the classical version, and
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Hamiltonian. You are grossly abusing policy trying to stretch that to say what comes to my mind. It is by far the most common usage of the term in general, period. And again, the only one that is called plainly "Hamiltonian". Again,
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policy, the Google search that doesn't take our history into account and Google books, etc. Over 90% of the results are for
Hamiltonian mechanics. Hamiltonian path is much more niche than Hamiltonian mechanics and people looking for it will include "path". And again, none of these are called the
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Alexander might put in Hamiltonian, but then again they might also try Hamaltin, Hamaltun, or about 10 other ways to spell it wrong. It does seem that associates of Alexander were sometimes called Hamiltonians, as those with the current administration are called
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It is obviously not what comes to my mind first, it also is what comes to Google's mind first and everyone else. The
Hamiltonian is an extremely famous concept in physics known of anyone who has taken any course in the subject. It is, therefore once again, undeniably more common than any of the
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Hamilton" instead of a disambiguation page. I agree with you that the Hamiltonian operator is the only thing actually referred to as "the Hamiltonian", but I don't agree that the page should be just a redirect to
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Hamilton function is from classical mechanics, an improved (so some say) way to do Newtonian mechanics. It happens to have the right form for use in quantum mechanics, except it is an operator in the latter case.
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this should be moved, it is exactly like York and New York example when compared with
Hamilton and Hamiltonian path and it is just like Apple vs Apple Inc when compared with QM. Please use the tools the
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Hamiltonian. Do we really need all of them? Should some be combined? The answers can be yes followed by no, but I do wonder.
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Hamiltonian path, my bad, but Alexander Hamilton does not count, there is not page beginning with Hamiltonian that redirects to Alexander Hamilton, it is a
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which gets many times more views than the DAB and so there is no way of knowing if that is true, and in fact is very likely not. Again, per all the policy at
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I'm not sure how I got that wrong, I used the tools on the other page but must have gotten confused. Anyways, that is a false metric because it is under
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