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Talk:Hands (Mike Perry song)

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685:. There certainly wasn't a strong consensus for the page move, but an uninvolved editor determined that there was one. Claiming that it only applies to the page title doesn't make sense, because the reason it was moved at all is because of the album's official credits, as the previous RM failed. It makes no sense to rename the article and have the contents disagree with it. And yes, I know that's what I was suggesting in the first RM, but I didn't do proper research as I just found two sources from May saying that Mike Perry is the primary artist, one even explicitly saying "featuring The Vamps and Sabrina Carpenter": 160: 142: 961: 535:. Spotify and Tidal don't seem to make any distinction between collaborations and featured artists. The Beatport link points to the old single release, although I can't seem to find the album on that site (yet). Like I said, it's more likely that the old credits were a mistake, because they were commonly known as featured artists back then too (although I can't point to a reliable source for that, only the album release now). 22: 74: 53: 1009: 914: 864: 240: 475:
that was just released lists the song as "Hands (feat. The Vamps & Sabrina Carpenter) – Mike Perry". This conflicts with the single's credits, but I'd follow the album credits, because it's more recent, and it's the "official" album of the song that it was made for, not just a random compilation.
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The page was moved because the mover probably went for majority votes. As the IP voter said "There doesn't need to be three artists in the title, that makes it unnecessarily long for the viewer", they insinuated that the credit isn't the only reason to move the page. In the first RM, it wasn't moved
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As much as I'd like to assume good faith, this just further proves that you are just trying to enforce your own preference. No, the closer didn't "just count votes", they even explicitly mentioned my argument as a reason for accepting the move. I've already told you that some sites you linked don't
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of the song (there's no difference in the actual song, but it's a separate release) agree on "Mike Perry featuring The Vamps & Sabrina Carpenter", so I think it makes sense to follow that. And since the RM was clearly closed with that in mind (minus the physical album which is just another
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the consensus for now. Anyway, I've also notified WikiProject Music now. Hopefully we get some participation here, as the notices left on WikiProject Songs and Electronic Music talk pages didn't result in any comments...
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distinguish between collaborations and featured artists, while the others only have the single release which was originally credited that way, but now they decided to change the credits for the album's release. And
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If only the news and streaming sites can come together on the same page and make a decision on the artist credits, but since they're all messed up and inconsistent, I concede. -
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I agree that it's a mess, but with the album release, the physical album and every streaming service that makes a distinction and has the
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Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a
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per consistency. It wouldn't be "fair" to the other artists. There are also articles with longer titles so I don't see an issue. -
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per nom, the title is unnecessarily long. Three artists should not be in there, so I consider Mike Perry to be the main artist.
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it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a
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and as far as I know, we don't list featured artists in the article title unless it's required for disambiguation.
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is the physical album cover which also lists Mike Perry as the primary artists and the other two as featured.
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If you want to edit war, it'll escalate into unnecessary situations. Best to discuss here. -
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confirmation), even though the number of !votes was less than ideal, I believe it
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that move, just to get rid such a long parenthetical. Also, worth noting, is that
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because the long title was not an issue. These stream sites
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Please do not accuse me of edit warring, as I only reverted
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Hands (Mike Perry, Sabrina Carpenter and The Vamps song)
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Hands (Mike Perry, Sabrina Carpenter and The Vamps song)
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a
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DrStrauss
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20:34, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Hands (Mike Perry, Sabrina Carpenter and The Vamps song)
Hands (Mike Perry song)
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04:38, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
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