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Germany' as opposed to Germany having no prime minister. Is she then a 'prime minister' or not? A further problem is which countries heads of government should be included as prime ministers in the 'Prime minister' article? The head of government of Pakistan has the official title of 'Grand Vizier', and is referred to as such in the Urdu language. However, in the English language his title is translated as the 'Prime Minister of Pakistan'. If we were to conclude that Merkel is chancellor and not prime minister of Germany, (as both the German and English languages would indicate) then what about the "Grand Vizier of Pakistan'? - according to his official title he is not the prime minister of Pakistan, but according to the English translation of his role, he is the prime minister of Pakistan.
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Parliament and answer when necessary to courts but when serving the Crown need not answer to the Parliament, which means, since courts are inferior to the Parliament, need not obey court orders (a real case to that effect arose not many years ago involving a refused asylum application), that she and not the Prime Minister is the commander-in-chief, that she determines who can receive a passport (presumably meaning she can set immigration and citizenship policies), that her legislative veto is final (making a Prime Minister's rejection of her advice potentially career-ending), and that she may have been within her rights when she responded to a disinclination by the appointive House of Lords to enact legislation she desired by suggesting that she could appoint many more members to that House unless the House passed the bill. Any requirement that the Queen accept the PM's advice on cabinet composition is political, not legal. While it is widely believed that the Queen is not supposed to have political opinions, or at least that they must be private or secret, neither is the law.
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Hey, can someone add Joe Biden, the President of the United States of America and Chris Hipkins, the Prime Minister of New Zealand (my country) to the list of heads of government at the top of the page, or are the 9 already there enough? thx.
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By George! You live in Fantasyland. Well, it's Saturday night: maybe you high on pot..Once you're back on Planet Earth, read this British government short information page on who's the boss in the British system of government:
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