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of reason to believe that anybody's license could be wrong, unless certain states break out the tape measure and make you take your shoes off and measure you at the tag agency. Height and weight on driver's licenses are not reliable at all. I am 74" tall and weigh just under 250 pounds, and I look positively svelte compared to him. He's a liar who is not to be believed.
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I measured myself incorrectly several years ago, and I thought I was 6'4", and that's what my license said for years. The doctor measured me, and I'm actually a little over 6'2". I told the lady at the tag agency my actual height, and she put it on the license without questioning me. There is plenty
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Something that is being overlooked is that he wears elevator shoes with thick soles. They have to be at LEAST 3" thick, if not 4". You can easily see that he wears lifts when he walks. That's also why he leans forward when he's standing. He's visibly shorter than a 6'1" Barack Obama, and that's with
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