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content premised on this as being RSed. The reason is that Gillani was the only alleged source and he has denied that he was the source for it. In addition, you (Gardiner) and Resolute have done nothing at all to correct the slanderous tone and content of this BLP over the past few weeks even with a host of new RS articles becoming available (which have shown Snowdy's charges to be suspect and/or false) yet you both are monitoring the BLP. That is negative pov orchestration-by non-correction-imo and that approach has been so prevalent here for so long that it seems to be systemic. The tag stays until all of the concerns raised by the 4 other concerned Editors as well as myself are rectified.
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doesn't mean they meant to do it, even if the other person is offended or thinks they meant to do it. The other thing is, anonymous letters from a single source rarely get any attention at all because for all we know it was written and mailed by some other person from another political persuasion who happened to be in the airport and knmew who she is.I personally doubt it was written by an airport employee because oif so that would be the first time that I know of such an employee has every gone public with a complaint about a customer. It is also suspicious that the letter discourages the reader from even trying to corroborate the letter's accusations-see the last
1289:, the verbal outburst(s) at Charlottetown airport and the "Phony letter writing campaign" may be judged are unimportant individually but taken as a whole this series of events lead Stephen Harper to expel her from Cabinet and the Conservative Party. Whether or not Ms Guergis knew of the supportive letter writing campaign is not important. What is important is it is one of the events that may have influenced her life and lead to her resignation. As such I would like to reinsert the section into the article and seek a third party to judge whether or not a deletion or re-write is warranted. I request that the section remain untouched by 1992:
ad-infinitem. Maybe that's just the way it is or should be, but it does not feel right to me. Are there any limits? What if the accusations were of child molestation? I suppose that,since we operate by consensus, that we do have some ability to agree to not include the specifics (snorting cocaine and prostitutes) of the accusations when it comes to Geurgis's BLP and I would propose that we agree to that. Gillani would have still been called to testify in relation to the alleged influence peddling so I don't see where these other 2 things are necessary.
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want to keep an eye on my edits with that in mind. I will also say I have no idea what the point is of experienced Editors watching BLPs like this one when they allowed it to remain in such a "smear" state of being for so long. I really do not feel critical about that aspect, just confused, I suppose the answer is they have hundres of articles on their watch lists but again I am thinking, "what's the point?"
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tag addition should include a corresponding description on the talk page. Note I've only spoken about the content of the talk page and not the article itself as you've somehow imagined. I think you may be reading more into what Resolute is saying than he has actually said also and that is making you needlessly defensive. --
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her to send letters to media without disclosing her identity. CTV reported Guergis had little support from the Conservative caucus or the Prime Minister's Office and that they (the PMO & caucus) were hoping Guergis would resign. Opposition leaders called for Guergis' resignation or for her to be fired by PM
1428:"? IE Are the letters written by unknown persons? Newspapers verify the identity of persons who want their letters published prior to publication. There was an attempt to mislead newspaper readers by omitting the writers true names and/or association to Ms Guergis. Whats been done fits the description of 2317:
Somebody noticed this BLP was in awful shape and put the Cleanup tag on; I am trying but I admit to having the POV that the entire article is and was a classic Smear, especially a month ago when there were so many viewers coming here for information about the Subject. So, someone more objective might
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One thing that needs to be removed is this sentence in the resignation section ",.... when he says he learned Gillani had boasted of having pictures of Guergis and Jaffer partying with cocaine and high-priced prostitutes." as well as the anticipatory references "third accusation" as well as all other
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The article is the issue.Why are well respected Editors quick to jump in here on the talk page while at the same time doing zero update editing on this article and allowing the article to remain absent of NPOV content, even of the Subject's denials of salacious, third hand accusations, for weeks now?
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I must agree with Anon. What I think it shows is the downside of having a smaller pool of interested Editors involved in editing a dynamic and inflammatory story about politicians...and maybe also that there is a tendancy not to proide politicians and/or celebrities with the same NPOV protection that
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I should probably have let this go a while ago but I think it relates to the general problem you're having. You are reading too much into everything. I merely commented that BLP, which you brought up, applies equally to the talk page, that editors should be civil on the talk page, and that an NPOV
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If it helps, I do understand where you are coming from. I tried to make sure the allegation was clearly stated to be second hand from Snowdy, but also that both Guergis and Gillani denied. FWIW, I've asked an Arbcom member who has a long history of editing political bios to take a quick look, just
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Certainly rewrite of the section could be useful, but a blind hatchet job to well sourced content that you do not like is not the answer. As I stated on your talk page, the accusations against Guergis by Snowdy remain on the record and remain relevant, as does the denials by Guergis' lawyers and by
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Please do not continue to revert one another. I will do my best to stay neutral about the inclusion or exclusion about this material. If I might try to summarize the two positions, though: DSatYVR has presented well-sourced information that they believe is relevant to this biography. Mr.Grantevans2,
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allegedly engaged in a coordinated letter writing campaign to the local media praising the abilities and achievements of Guergis. None of the individuals disclosed their close association with the Conservative Minister. Guergis subsequently blamed Jessica Craven, declaring it was not appropriate for
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allegedly engaged in a coordinated letter writing campaign to the local media praising the abilities and achievements of Guergis. None of the individuals disclosed their close association with the Conservative Minister. Guergis subsequently blamed Jessica Craven, declaring it was not appropriate for
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I think there's a mistake in the part of the page with the grids showing how many votes Helena and the other candidates received in the 2006 and 2004 federal elections. Specifically, the title for both of them is 2006 elections. I've never edited a Wiki page, so I didn't want to cause any damage.
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I'm no fan of hers, so this is not fan-boy editing - but in the article, the header "flip-flop" is not accurate. The article clearly states her position when in a socially conservative riding was to oppose gay marriage, and to support it when in a liberal riding. Sorry, but representing the views of
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I'm sorry but an anonymous letter that has not been verified by any media outlet ihave been able to find does not meet WIKI:BLP policy requirements. If you have reliable sources that are confirming the repotrs made in the letter then adding it back is fine. but relying on the sources that have been
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Ive reverted the section as follows because the Charlottetown airport incident was well reported and cited. I realize it may need some more work re: neutral POV but in light of today's reporting of Helena Guergis's exec assistant's anonymous letters to media outlets I don't think it is unreasonable
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In light of the contention below I've taken a half-way step of carefully pulling out and better distinguishing the quotes. This visual separation makes the accusation clearer, as well as the explanation and Peter Mansbridge's (the meat of the section, imho) report on what he witnessed. I think this
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You know ... a while ago, I saw a list of Indo-Canadian candidates in the 2004 federal election, which was put together for an Indian newspaper. One of the names on the list was James Rajotte, a Conservative MP from Alberta whose actual background is French-Canadian. Mistakes like this crop up in
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if you continued to blindly block delete article content. Now, whether you like it or not, Snowdy's allegation is widely published, and is the reason why Guergis was asked to sit outside caucus pending the results of the investigations. They are critical to the direction this controversy and her
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I have been hoping the extreme 1 sided smear content of this article was a result of inattention, but now its apparent that the article is being watched and intentionally kept 1 sided even in the face of the alleged third hand source of the nasty allegations now having denied under oath those very
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Calm down, Mr. Gardiner. Deep breaths. If any of the claims made by the Toronto Star are in any way unsubstantiated or libelous or if the Prime Minister in any way defamed Ms. Guergis by announcing in the House that he had removed her from caucus and that the RCMP had been contacted, then I'm sure
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I think that is a good question from GoodDay :) People apologize sometimes not because they agree with the accusation but simply because someone misinterpreted their actions or took them more seriously or personally than intended. People apologize when they bump into someone accidentally but that
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I agree with the original. I am no fan of the Tories, but this hearsay is waaay out of line for an encyclopedia. Throwing a tantrum when about to miss your flight does not make you a child molester, and should not form the basis of an article about a Cabinet Minister, no matter how unpopular they
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I think the section is waayyyy out of line the way it is currently referenced. An anon letter wtih several redacted areas doesnt even come close to passing Wiki:BLP. I'm not saying there arent reliable sources out there but die to BLP policy this stuff must come down now. And dont rush out saying
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While I might normally appreciate your condescension, it is misplaced here. My comment was a reply to one from Mr. Grant, which he since removed, inadvertently making it appear that I was responding to the anon above. My comment was in fact not even in this section, one which I frankly had not
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The part about "no mention of criminal charges" is simple slander. Nobody is criminally charged for not wanting to remove their boots and then griping about how they're going to miss their flight. I mean, what possible law is broken here? Verbal abuse is also not accurate. She never directed an
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All right, yes. While it's true that Canadian citizens falsely accused of being Greek have traditionally filed a double lawsuit (not one lawsuit but two simultaneously with dfferent solicitors) in order to seek compensation, it is by no means a matter of Canadian law, at least not as far as the
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I disagree. Snowdy is not saying he has photos of, or even that he witnessed, the prostitutes and snorting; so it's not a "he said she said" type of dispute. Its heresay that's been denied by the 1 and only "Say"er; and it has no place at all in a BLP...but, where is that uninvolved Admin. you
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Sorry if that seemed condescending to you, JGGardiner. I'm simply saying that Helena Guergis already has two lawyers on retainer who read this page every single day and she does NOT require OR desire you to act as her volunteer, unpaid white knight on the internet, monitoring and censoring her
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The tone of the segment that includes all the specific quotes from the outburst is simply intolerable, even for any sitting minister, regardless of their unappealing politics. Guergis was a cabinet minister and was reelected. Politicians are human beings, and the fact that newspapers have gone
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before you continue attacking other editors. About the only thing you are correct on is that I haven't done much to edit this article yet, aside from reverting your unilateral deletion of content, mainly because I didn't take an active interest in it until I noted your unilateral deletion.
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I have to admit you have a point, but I'm having a real hard time accepting that someone can make sensational allegations attributed to a third party which are then denied outright by that 3rd. party and the accusations remain published in a biography of the accused person in an encyclopedia
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to get ahead and it is suspicious,I think, that Snowdy's most bizarre topic(photos of prostitution/cocaine snorting) has been denied by the 1 and only source. Bottom line, it doesn't really matter from our standpoint what is true or not true so I try not to make any assumptions either way.
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The article in its entirety highlights salacious, unproven, and disproven allegations against the Subject with a much lesser attention to her denials ,Jaffer's denials and more importantly, Gillium's and Snowdy's sworn testimonies which contradict the allegations which overwhelm the BLP.
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Since the article history shows that you were only reverted one time, you have to be accusing Resolute of acting maliciously. That's pretty uncivil in any circumstance but especially after one single edit. It is particularly awful since Resolute was completely polite to you above.
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I think it is safe to say when 5 close associates of Guergis simultaneously write letters of support for Guergis it is an Orchestrated letter writing campaign. If it is known who wrote the letters then the letters are not 'unattributed'. Perhaps you should look up the definition of
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Guergis received considerable media attention following an "emotional" outburst when arriving late to the Charlottetown airport. An airport employee anonymously related the encounter to media, which was covered widely at the time. Guergis subsequently apologized, citing job
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Phony letter writing campaign Ms. Guergis’ executive assistant Jessica Craven, Ms. Craven’s mother Dawn Richards, constituency office staff member Valerie Knight, former riding association president Paul Shaw, and Bonnie Ainsworth an assistant to Ms. Guergis’ colleague, MP
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youre going to have to come up with a meaningful reason for blanking this section rather than arbitrarily deleting it as you have done numerous times. Do you have a personal interest in censoring this section out of existence? Is there a particular sentence that irks you?
704:*all* varieties of media, not just Knowledge -- and they don't usually result in lawsuit threats from the "aggrieved" parties (though it's not really clear that this counts a "grievance" in any event). How many times has John Kerry been described as Irish, I wonder? 2036:
added to the article. The employees at the Charlottetown Airport aren't stupid, they know when they've been verbally abused. Also, wasn't it proven, Guergis's staff were the authors of those positive reviews of Guergis? I'm not out to bury the women, but honestly.
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her to send letters to media without disclosing her identity. CTV reports Guergis has little support from the Conservative caucus or the PMO office and are hoping Guergis resigns. Opposition leaders have called for Guergis' resignation or for her to be fired by PM
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Since there's no evidence of ongoing discussion, I'm removing the tag for now. If discussion is continuing and I've failed to see it, however, please feel free to restore the template and continue to address the issues. Thanks to everybody working on this one! --
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That still is editorializing; you know, a whole lot has been written in RSs over the last few weeks in the Subject's favour which has not been added to this article, its really odd because this Subject's accusers are the ones who are actually charged with fraud.
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Says who? There is no citation, and I can find nothing about this on the internet, only her acceptance into law school. Her web-presence since 2017 has become exceptionally obscure. There are two Linkedin entries for her that are little more than placeholders.
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You don't seem to get it. Snowdy's accusations referenced Gillani as the source of the cocaine and prostitutes accusation; now that Gillani has testified that he is not the source for those accusations, then those accusations no longer have any source at all.
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While the Governor General has recently encouraged double law suits during speaking tours abroad, the official position of the Canadian government is (and remains) that there is no such thing as a double lawsuit and that there is a job opening at Rideau Hall
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The insistence on the Letter Writing Smear,which the subject had nothing to do with, and insistence on characterizing it as "orchestrated" which may give the casual Reader the false impression that the Subject was involved in orchestrating the letter
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Do you have any suggestions on a more suitable word? My preference is not to use 'fraudulent', although it could be argued that a fraud was attempted by hiding ones identity and close association to Ms Guergis by the the various individuals involved.
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the majority of your constituents is what you are paid to do. The word "flip-flop" is a pejorative, and unwarranted, so I changed it to the less charged "stances". Let the reader draw their own conclusion from the detailed discussion that follows.
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I've reinserted the following into the article. It appears to be the object of a whitewashing campaign. Guergis was subsequently expelled from the Conservative Caucus and these facts are relevant to the biography of the individual(s) in question
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Ms. Guergis’ executive assistant Jessica Craven, Ms. Craven’s mother Dawn Richards, constituency office staff member Valerie Knight, former riding association president Paul Shaw, and Bonnie Ainsworth an assistant to Ms. Guergis’ colleague, MP
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got it wrong, and mixed up Guergis's comments on another issue with that on SSM. This is possible, but evidence would have to be provided for other editors to accept this position, e.g., other statements that she made during that election.
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on the other hand, takes the position that this material represents trivial information about Guergis, that it is rather more about people around her than Guergis herself, and (this might be just conjecture on my part) that it is
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balances accurately reflecting the accusations that were in the news while keeping the accused's responses as befits an active controversy in a BLP. No words were cut, but quotes were separated which required some rearrangement.
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career have taken recently. That Gillani has denied Snowdy's allegation does not change the fact that it was made, nor does it change the impact it had. And no matter how hard you try to whitewash it, you simply can't.
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we should. So, therefore I encourage 69.172.110.185 to become an established Editor and do some/more editing on this story, as well as encouraging anyone else who thinks the article needs improvement to help out.
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The other NPOV concerns raised on this talk page in talk page sections above were raised by Editors User:24.157.185.17, 209.121.225.250 ,99.231.53.195 and 69.172.110.185. You can read them and address them here.
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page. Readers should be aware, however, that the error in question had nothing to do with the information on Guergis's bio page, nor with the controversy in the previous section of this discussion page.
2171:"Gillani was alleged by Snowdy to be the source" is as true as "Gillani denied being the source". Gillani's statements under oath do not erase the previous accusation. You might also read and learn 2283:
I actually removed the tag myself about a month ago and it was quickly re-inserted; you may wish to contact that Editor (who re-inserted it) to see what they think. I am now re-inserting it because:
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I count 4 Editors here(above sections)expressing concerns about this BLP being "tabloid news","slanderous" and other NPOV adherance concerns. So, I have placed the tag until there is a consensus.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but why has this article not included any of the RS material which brings into question/challenges the veracity of all the recent allegations made against Guergis?
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Again another error on Knowledge - Ms. Guergis is NOT GREEK. Lets see if you fools can figure this out! You should be careful you may find yourselves slapped with a law suit or two! (posted by
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You may be 100% correct. It would not be the 1st. time I've gotten defensive without cause or misconstrued somebody's words. Thank you for the very polite "something for me to think about".
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If anyone wants to start a political tabloid wiki, create one on Wikia, but let's hold Knowledge to a slightly higher standard here. We're not trying to sell ads here, my fellow editors.
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If editors are comfortable with the article as it is today I propose removal of the NPOV tag. If Editors still have an area or areas of concern please state them concisely below. Thanks
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Mr. Jaffir and Ms. Guergis have already taken appropriate legal action and they will be vindicated in court. It's only been a week. They may be just waiting for the right time to do it.
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I must admit I am surprised; I didn't think the information belongs in an encyclopedia. "Unattributed letters to the editor" is certainly better; I'll put that in for the time being.
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an MP in Canada's parliament. Easter's name and fax number are part of the letter (look at the header of page 1 and 2). The letter also forms part of a CBC article
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to assume the same kind of interference from Guergis's office is occuring here on Knowledge. In the future do not delete entire sections for no reason. Thankyou.
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be that Guergis has been set up and media/blogs/encyclopedia are being played like pawns to get the dirt out.It wouldn't be the first time politicians played
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The allegations of some guy who is part-owner of an escort agency do not deserve to occupy HALF of the article on a former Federal Cabinet Minister.
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to decide who that is. A neutral statement would argue that Snowdy's claims have been denied by Gillani. Your preferred version is not neutral.
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When the Varsity asked what they would do if they ever had to vote on the issue of same-sex marriage, they all said they would be in favour of it.
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When the Varsity asked what they would do if they ever had to vote on the issue of same-sex marriage, they all said they would be in favour of it.
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find additional sources. Its not the job of those who find policy violations to try and make it right, its the job of the original contributer.
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did report this. I will show a larger portion of the article below to show that CJCurrie is not misrepresenting or misinterpreting the article:
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are 4 day old articles?? Is it a "Weight" issue? I just added 3 sentences but more work on the NPOV aspect needs to be done, I think.
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Are you sure it's Hel-EE-na? She's actually introduced herself to me, and I thought she said He-LAY-na. Maybe I heard wrong. --
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for the biography. Do I have that right? If the two of you are unable to come to an agreement, would you be willing to seek a
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Articles about living people should be a bit more charitable, and every sentance doesn't deserve inclusion in an encyclopedia.
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I'm going to offer an opinion about this section heading if I may. "Orchestrated campaign" is something that opposition MP
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Knowledge is not a tabloid. The Toronto Star might have gone tabloid, but this does not justify the same in Knowledge.
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I've removed an old neutrality tag from this page that appears to have no active discussion per the instructions at
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of the letter-because what is the constructive purpose of that sentence? to discourage official follow-up,perhaps?
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lol, but the difference is, I'm not jumping into the talk page on Shakespeare and influencing content indirectly.
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
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The quotes from tabloid news and blow-by-blow account of breaking events are not relevant to an encyclopedic.
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to be ejected from the BC Legislature through a campaign to recall amassing the required number of signatures.
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There is no mention anywhere about her mother or her mother's side of the family background, which was English.
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In all likelyhood because nobody's gotten around to it. Feel free to update the article using these sources.
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https://www.ualberta.ca/registrar/media-library/convocation/fall-2017/november-22-2017-ceremony-afternoon.pdf
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Yes they do: Snowdy. Obviously one of these two men are lying, however it is not for you to introduce your
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I've reinserted the last 2 sentences and citations into the article. I'm not sure why they were deleted by
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Propose adding a sentence to say that a similar campaign of unattributed letters to the editor prompted
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I do not know why,but its a lousy reflection of adherance to NPOV and BLP policy, it seems to me.
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Yes, Paul Eric, you have it exactly right regarding my view. I would welcome a third opinion.
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I've discovered the following quote, from another Varsity article covering the same event:
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I was about to say that I haven't done anything wrong but I really haven't done anything
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