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I have included several scholarly references that offer diverse perspectives on
Kurdish identity and history, which may serve as valuable counterpoints to Asatrian's interpretations. Engaging with these works can enrich our understanding and ensure we maintain a high standard of scholarship in this
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This approach is not scientific in an academic sense and it's important to avoid unjustifiable opinions or falsifying scholarly research with unscientific methods. The age of a source does not inherently determine its scientific validity - what matters is the rigor of the methodology and analysis.
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Kurdish principalities includes "One of these dynasties may have been able, during the decades, to impose its supremacy ... build a state incorporating the whole Kurdish country if the course of history had not been disrupted" based on "One of these dynasties would have been able, during the
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This is a well known propaganda and racist line that the
Turkish regime and Iranian regime used to deny Kurdish ethnicity. It has been proven to be false many times. Just incase I was wrong, I clicked the link and note 2, to be taken to where they got this information from, clicked search and went
546:"There are different theories about the origin of the name Kurd. According to one theory, it originates in Middle Persian as ŁŁŲ±ŲŖ kwrt-, a term for "nomad; tent-dweller". After the Muslim conquest of Persia, this term was adopted into Arabic as kurd-, and was used specifically for nomadic tribes."
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has nothing to do with personal opinions... and you were the literally the person to accuse me of using my personal opinion, i.e. not focusing on the content. And this is not about "scientific methodology", this is about you attempting to use a predatory journal, it's really not that complicated.
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Recent research critiques his work, and I believe it's essential to keep personal views out of this discussion. If you wish to cite
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I've recently added information about the etymological connection between 'Kurd' and
Sumerian 'Karda' based on peer-reviewed sources (Hennerbichler 2014, Zaken 2007). However, these additions have been repeatedly reverted with claims of "predatory publishing" without evidence. I kindly request a
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That section about tent dwellers should be removed, as all it does it continue to spread misinformation and racist models from the
Turkish and Iranian government about Kurds in order to continue Kurdish occupation. It has been proven to be false and outdated.
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Could you please provide specific references or evidence to support your assertion that
Hennerbichler, F. (2014). "Kar-da-ka 21st ce. B.C.E. Karda Land of Valiant Mountain People Central Zagros East Terminological Analysis" is not a reliable source?
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All claims, whether old or new, should be evaluated based on their empirical evidence and scholarly merit. Enriching articles with well-supported scholarly research, regardless of publication date, helps maintain neutrality and academic integrity.
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Sigh... your edit was literally TAGGED as "use of predatory open access journal". Not by me, but by the system. Why do you think that is? And what do you think predatory open access journal is? What does it say here
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I cannot find a scientific methodology for this claim. Otherwise, it is not acceptable in an academic context and must be rejected based on the lack of empirical evidence and rigorous scholarly analysis.
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These sources discuss the etymological connection between 'Kurd' and Sumerian 'Karda', as proposed by G.R. Driver, providing valuable historical context relevant to the article's scope. I noticed @
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These sources discuss the etymological connection between 'Kurd' and Sumerian 'Karda', as proposed by G.R. Driver, providing valuable historical context relevant to the article's scope.
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please refrain from involving your personal views such as "the scholars aren't specialized in ..." and any similar psudoscientific claims which has no place in our discussion.
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s book. I also read through the paragraph that was displayed, and again. Nothing. Please delete this part as it is false information passed down to deny Kurdish ethnicity.
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Calling Kurds Iranian is dishonest as majority of us are outside of the country Iran. Iranic is the proper academic term to use for indo-Iranians. This was discussed in
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I've recently added information about the etymological connection between 'Kurd' and Sumerian 'Karda' based on peer-reviewed sources (Hennerbichler 2014, Zaken 2007).
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3, no. 1 (May 1, 2015): 3ā25. This article discusses the complexities of Kurdish identity and literary history, which could serve as a counterpoint to Asatrian's views.
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There's a literal wikipage on the denial of Kurdish identity, what are you on about? If you're uninformed about my people, please refrain from making such statements.
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