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Connector," not MD Rt. 200 or the Outer Beltway. Getting some clear and basic information together on this topic would help me (and no doubt others) make sense of the rest of the stuff that's out there on the Web and in the news. When you walk into an existing situation where everybody's all lined up on different sides of a controversy, it can sure be helpful to have a summary of the soap opera characters and plot to date! I'm in agreement that the info that's in this article could be improved, or possibly moved to a better location. So I'm hoping your collective experience in how to slice, dice, and present the highway engineering portion will facilitate presenting the information about the public discussion as well ... How the heck do any of us stand a chance of becoming reasonable, informed citizens if even the Knowledge (XXG) community is too touchy to give a beginners' explanation of what everybody's all riled up about?
1826:. External links should not be included in the prose; if they are being used as references, they need to do so using reference tags. There are several stubby one and two-sentence paragraphs throughout the article. There are awkward spellings such as "Stand alone Intercounty Connector". The issues stretch beyond the prose quality to the fact the article gives undue weight to the planning and barely talks about the construction of the road. A lot of the political information in the planning section needs to be cut from the article. It should summarized to say several politicians opposed the road rather than list out every instance of a politician's opinion about the road. With the information condensed, this information can logically be merged back to
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I would highly suggest not renominating this article or any other article related to MD 200 as all the articles are still a mess. This article is only divided into 2 sections and the planning section is way too long and overfilled with excessive information and quotes. The references are still a mess
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Ok, here's my perspective. A lot of the original history behind the road that is now being built as MD-200 is related to the Outer
Beltway. That article could benefit from expansion. If historical material is put there, it can be summarized and linked back into the history section of the main MD-200
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Hello, Dough! As a relatively recent local resident who's a bit curious as to how this whole situation with the ICC shaped up, I'd benefit from seeing the detail here. This particular little stretch of highway seems to be a key piece for understanding the politics of an overly congested metropolitan
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I did not write this article, but have read it carefully and added the lead and construction sections. My review did not find POV problems. It maintains an encyclopedic tone in explaining a 30-year controversy that factored into a number of political campaigns. Accordingly, I am removing the tags
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There are a few dead links in this article. In addition, the formatting of several of the references, such as references 8 and 34, are nonstandard. I also don't see how an e-mail can be a reliable source. There are also a few unreferenced statements in the article such as "The
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Possibly; however, I just heard something on the radio about an "Outer
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When citing a newspaper, the only required information is data to access a hard copy version. Here, the authors added information on accessing a paid online archive with a notation that there is a fee involved. Such additional information is allowed under
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The article has been failed - if you want to appeal you have to go through the usual channels. If you have any questions about the improvement of the article you may contact me on my talk page or go through normal channels. I'm not changing my decision.
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Re: Notability. For this article, it's not due to the project being a feat of highway engineering, but rather on its political impacts, the question of how the highway will affect the major traffic congestion problem, and the duration of the situation.
1930:"Fifty-six years is an embarrassing. The only thing more embarrassing than 56 years would be 57," Ehrlich said about how long the debate has been going on ... It's such a big deal to Ehrlich -- that his voice cracked when talking about it." (from
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too, with inconsistent formatting and one reference to an e-mail. My rationale for failing this articles is not just based on the fact that the history of a road should not have a standalone article. When a reviewer fails an article,
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it. Honestly, this information does not need to be covered in a standalone article. I would suggest cleaning up the prose by cutting out quotes and unnecessary information and merge the detail into the
History section of
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links back to four other highways for full detailed histories, but summarizes them to cover its backstory. Then the ON-401 article continues with its unique history. I think a similar approach could be done here.
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in June 2009. This highway is just as important an artery as an interstate highway, but was financed and built by the
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Be specific on the talk page. Saying the article "is still a mess" is not helpful. Your review does not illuminate either. Please explain in detail why you believe each tag is justified with specific examples.
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Agreed that 50 years of controversy involving two governors may not fit neatly into the established format used by WikiProject Roads. Why not let it branch out into a separate but related article instead?
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This is a 20 mile highway, 18 miles are either open or actively being constructed. Two miles at the east end are in final planning and contracting for completion in 2014. I don't see instability resulting.
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