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Trinidad? As someone hardly familiar with Tobago I need my hand held a little.
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Basically the context of Caribs attacks was two centuries slave raiding (by the
Spanish and their allies to supply the pearl fisheries in Margarita), and involvement in the wars between the British, French, Dutch and Spanish in the 17th and 18th centuries. Beyond that, it's very hard to say, because
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Overall, it's alright. I still get a sense it could be expanded, but the most pressing issue is that the style is quite poor. Run-on sentences abound, sometimes losing their grammatical structure partway through. The language used is informal at times, and I feel this has led to some
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Trinidad and their eventual union, I think I have expanded on that enough. (Hopefully.)
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It is largely based on two sources. This produces something of an odd shift, with the second half of the article being very politics-focused. Are there other relevant reliable sources? Can
Boomert's book be used for the 20th century?
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Plymouth (which is little larger than a village). As far as the rest goes - I mentioned the two main forts and the Main Ridge reserve (which is covered in more depth in the
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