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criticisms that resulted from his call, and as a result, may well have taken the criticisms personally. Consequently, those who demonstrated the greatest opposition to the way of the regime were persecuted. However, there is a distinct difference between a planned result and an unseen consequence and the persecution of those in opposition was an unseen consequence. Mao did NOT plan to punish people. Therefore the use of the word "trap" is completely erroneous.
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problem was that "they didn't eliminate all those counter-revolutionaries....Eastern Europe just didn't kill on a grand scale." She also quotes Mao in Spring telling Ke Qing-shi and others that the campaign was analagous to "casting a long line to bait big fish," and saying "how can we catch the snakes if we don't let them out of their lairs."
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In reference to the theory that the campaign was a deliberate ruse to expose rightists, the article intro states that the theory has been challenged on the grounds that Zhou Enlai was also involved. What relevance does this have? Is the implication that Zhou was a saint, and would never participate
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Mao instituted this campaign as a way to hear from his intellectual elite what the party could work on in order to become stronger and more efficient. He hoped that a few members of the party could give some valuable constructive criticisms and opinions. Mao never expected to see the bombardment of
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Back to the trap question, I find Jun Chang's arguments on the matter to be valuable (if only she were more inclined to cite her sources...), even if I'm not totally ready to buy into it. She draws on Mao's talks with Party brass analyzing the
Hungarian uprising, and concluding that the Hungarians'
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So I read a book called "China's Men of
Letters" by K.E. Priestley, and there's a pretty decent source on the Hundred Flowers campaign in general. However, it states that the campaign began in May 1956, while this article implies it started much later. It's further implied to have been so, when it
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As a few people have already said, this article does not present a neutral point of view. It insinuates that the
Hundred Flowers Movement was deliberately designed as a "trap" for opponents when this is not fact, only one particular opinion. The more common revisionist take on the reason for the
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Citation five links to an archive of a google books page, but there is no content, simply, "image not available." I'm new, so I'm not quite sure how to approach this issue as would normally be done. The claim citation five exists in regards to seems pretty central to the content of the page, so I
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Li Zhisui's account of the campaign's genesis and evolution does offer a good counterpoint to Jun Chang. Li's argument is basically that Mao intended to use the campaign to consolidate his own power and direct criticism toward opponents. He was dismayed when criticisms turn against him, and the
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I read an article on asiansentinel and am was surprised to see how deep this campaign was. I have heard a little bit about it from various other sources but with the current wikipedia article it's a question of white washing Mao's purge. The article might be biased but is there anybody willing to
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A good source on the
Chinese Revolution is Keith Schoppa's book on the Chinese revolution. Schoppa gives estimates in his book. Also, A good memoir to read about the Revolution is by Liang Heng and Judy Shapiro, The Son of the Revolution.It is a memior that may give you a heartfelt account of the
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I reinserted a citation that someone considered a weak source. In part I did this to draw attention that the lede has numerous sources, including the reinserted one -- which actually seems reasonably credible for the assertion, even if the source is somewhat commercial. And ss I understand it,
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This is a simply anti-Maoist propaganda, if Mao despised intellectuals, why would he have written so much about epistemology and the importance of learning? Mao wasn't against dissent. The
Cultural Revolution was all about dissent; it was a massive movement against a corrupt government.
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There is really no basis for this statement, the idea put forward that is "common" thought that this was a "trap," has little to no basis beyond Jung Chang's writings. However other notable
Sinologists and biographers of Mao have serious disagreements with her views on this subject.
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the link should go to the book there. For books unavailable at the archive, the link should go to the page about the book on the publisher's website - preferably the publisher of the edition cited, but if that is unavailable the current publisher can also be used.
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I the absence of a response, I made an attempt to improve this section and removed the confusing reference to Zhou Enlai. Room for improvement remains, so I'm open to suggestions on how to make this section more clear and representative of different viewpoints.
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I humbly suggest that those who contribute to this page, and all others, should simply cite their sources. Discussing the issue of neutrality of this topic is much grounded if we are able to read one another's sources and then evaluate one another's opinions.
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This statement is strong POV as to what consists healthy vs harmful criticism (how did criticism that the government was totalitarian become "harmful"?). I have added quotes appropriately, since the viewpoint is attributed to Mao:
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I removed this phrase from the article. If there is a source that can show that Mao had gotten tired of criticism, it should be reformulated so as to not trivialize it ("simply grown sick") and in a more encyclopedic language.
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Aftermath section only gives internal data, internal to the CCP at that. is it because nobody in the press outside China wrote anything about this part of Maoist history? I doubt that very
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Chinese character for "hundred", 百, is very similar to "white", 白. At least it's that way for Japanese kanji, and should be pretty much the same in Chinese characters...
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Harvard Citation here: Priestley, K. E., and Shou-jung Chʻên. “The Hundred Flowers Campaign” in China’s Men of Letters, Yesterday and Today. Hong Kong: Dragonfly Books, 1962. Print.
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I'm unsure if this is 100% right, as I only have my notes on me from when I borrowed the book. If you're curious, by all means view them here, the book is admittedly quite rare:
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It's an internet trope, isn't it: there's always somebody ready to step up and defend the indefensible. Get it through your skull that Mao was a million times worse than Hitler.
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