Talk:Intercontinental Cup (football)

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to these sources, and I will not do "copy and paste" here for so many many many sources. Check them there. Just to mention a few: even the Japanese Football Association and Toyota web-sites do NOT treat the Intercontinental cup as a World title ; even the Conmebol and UEFA web-sites do NOT treat the Intercontinental cup as a World title; even AC Milan and Internazionale (who won both Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup) do NOT equalise the two competitions on their palmares list on their web-sites; even web-sites of clubs such as Porto, Barcelona, Real Madrid, Atletico de Madrid, Estudiantes Argentina, Olimpia, Peñarol, etc, treat the Intercontinental Cup merely as Intercontinental Cup but NOT as a World title; Catalan sport newspaper El Mundo Deportivo and BBC's Tim Vickery also treat differently the Intercontinental Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup; etc.

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impact is just can define three factors: 1) The sporting level: the facts indicate that the FIFA Club World Cup level is less than the European Super Cup (last edition demonstrated both), a result that Western Europe is the only remaining superpower in the post-Bosman world. 2) Much time: for better or for worse, the Intercontinental Cup has secured its place in football history with 44 years that watch the rise, consolidation and fall of virtually all regarded "top" clubs and leagues. With only 12 editions disputed the Club World Cup is still a "young competition" as for discuss about its "impact". 3) The expectation of the third fan: is disappearing as it widens the gap between European teams and the rest of the times as in the past happened in the Interamerican Cup and the minor interest for the South American public opinion about that tournament.--

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AC Milan and Internazionale both have won both the Intercontinental and World titles, while Mr Dante's beloved Juventus has only won the Intercontinental title, and that is the only reason why Mr Dante insists so much on the brazen lie that the Intercontinental up had the same worth and status of the FIFA Club World Cup. All sources presented indicated that the Intercontinental Cup did NOT have the same status and worth of the FIFA Club World Cup. It is also funny that Mr Dante cited the BBC and UEFA as his evidence, but once I showed BBC and UEFA-site articles going CONTRARY to his opinion, he simply dismissed them, dismissing the very same sources that he had called upon. As I said, I will not lose my time talking with a person as dishonest as Mr Dante.

678:"Basándose una vez más en la colosal figura de Rogério Ceni, el equipo tricolor alcanzó su tercera consagración intercontinental. São Paulo mantiene una efectividad total en títulos intercontinentales. Con la victoria en la final por 1-0 ante Liverpool, son cuatro los partidos disputados y ganados, teniendo en cuenta las finales de la Copa Europea/Sudamericana de 1992 y 1993 ante Barcelona de España y Milan de Italia, respectivamente, y los dos partidos de esta edición del Mundial de Clubes de FIFA, ante Al Ittihad, de Arabia Saudita por semifinal y el mencionado encuentro ante Liverpool. De esta manera, igualó el record de Peñarol y Nacional, ambos de Uruguay, y Boca Juniors de Argentina en lograr tres títulos mundiales por el lado de Sudamérica." 2391:

Libertadores). According to this stupid rationale of yours, Dante, the European Champions Cups 1955/1956, 1956/1957, 1957/1958 and 1958/1959 should also be considered "world titles".... according to Mr Dante's extremely stupid rationale, the English FA Cup should be considered a Club World Cup because, when it was created, soccer did not exist outside England... What is more: if the Intercontinental Cup was a club world cup BECAUSE in 1960 the only confederations with competitions were Europe and South America, as Dante says, therefore the very same rationale would say that the Intercontinental Cup should STOP being considered a club world cup once the other continents (Africa, Asia, Concacaf) created their continental competitions.

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cannot. Surely enough, if there is someone here willing to make POV, provide parial informations, it is you. It is easy to see it: while you deleted contents I put which are ipsis litteris parts of the sources you yourself used, I never erased any sourced information brought on by or whoever. Once again: I erased the de facto expression, but I did NOT erase the "All teams are considered world champions". Well, if you are still unhappy, allright: let's call ADMNISTRATORS to decide who is right, the one deleting sourced content or the one bringing sourced content. If you erase the sourced contents I brought, that's vandalism and I will take the question to the Administrators.

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reach the FIFA World Cup, while they NEVER HAD ANY CHANCE to reach the Intercontinental Cup- and they never had such chance EVEN when they beat the South Americans on the pitch (Interamerican Cup 1977 and 1980 and Libertadores 2001- before 2001 Libertadores Cup final of Mexican Cruz Azul x Argentine Boca Juniors, Conmebol announced that Cruz Azul would NOT be allowed to play the Intercontinental Cup even if they beat Boca Juniors). See how things are, Dante: in your mind, you "decided" (from whichever "authority" you may think you have) that the Interamerican Cup is "neglectable" - but please see that, not only through Interamerican Cup, but also through Libertadores Cup (

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involve Antarctica or the Moon. It is deeply unfair to Europe and South America to ignore our long history of club football before the Asians, Africans, Oceania and North American took it seriously and pretend football only started when they took an interest in it. This was world club championship. STOP IGNORING THAT HISTORY. If you do we might as well claim the first world cups were not real as they were just invitational and did not involve British sides. GET OVER IT THIS was the world club cup. Stop rewriting history. The modern one is the unfair system as it gives the Oceania and asian champions the same status as a far larger trophy in Europe.

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be regarded as a different tournament since they featured no African nor Asian teams, let alone the format, which has changed wildly through the years (1950 notably). By the same token, why are the UEFA Champions League winners listed along with the former European Cup winners on the respective page? Different competitors, different format and quite possibly different trophy. Also the article you quoted states the continuation of the Intercontinental Cup as such as only a "possibility", which for being a year old article and due to the overcrowded calendar in Europe, it is pretty fair to expect will not happen. Also let me quote a much newer

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wikipedia has more than 300 links to the most worldwide reliable and respected sources, many of them regarding the Intercontinental Cup as world title while many of them disagreeing entirely on that... Therefore, the topic is, at least, debatable. I had suggested Dante that you might see the Portuguese wikipedia and check all these links (there are many links in English there..). However, in your opinion , as you said: "What appears on the other Knowledge (XXG) versions is absolutely irrelevant" ... Due to the things you said, Dante, it is crystal clear that you regard anything but your own opinion as irrelevant...

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can you show an OFFICIAL UEFA and CONMEBOL document stating that the Intercontinental Cup was a world title ???? I just remember them calling the competition Intercontinental or European/South American Cups. The CBD (Brazilian FA) and the whole Brazilian, Uruguayan press treated the Rio Cup as a world title back in 1951, but everybody knows that the Brazilian FA does not have jurisdiction over the world- as UEFA and CONMEBOL neither have. According to your extremely stupid argument, Mr Dante, any institution in the world could have the right to make legitimate world competitions....

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Janeiro and São Paulo state soccer associations; 3- São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro are ALMOST ALWAYS the best houses of Brazil soccer... and HARDLY ANYONE in Brazil thinks that the Rio-São Paulo tournament gave any kind of "honorific" or "de facto" Brazilian title... everybody in Brazil agrees São paulo and Rio de Janeiro are almost always the best of Brazil soccer and that the Rio-São Paulo tournament is official and valid as a two-state tournament, but nobody in Brazil thinks Rio-São Paulo is a Brazil title either official or "honorific" ...

4503: 1781:, p.9)—UEFA can be use exclusively for national team tournaments—as a condition for approving the tournament in 1955—and with that title is taken the official photo after the final. So, as you says, "Champion of Europe" and/or "European champion" would unofficial titles because UEFA can not give that recognition to clubs, but although it, is widely accepted in ths sports community that the CL winner is "champion of Europe". In the same way it applies to the Intercontinental Cup 1515:, p.9)—UEFA can be use exclusively for national team tournaments—as a condition for approving the tournament in 1955—and with that title is taken the official photo after the final. So, as you says, "Champion of Europe" and/or "European champion" would unofficial titles because UEFA can not give that recognition to clubs, but although it, is widely accepted in ths sports community that the CL winner is "champion of Europe". In the same way it applies to the Intercontinental Cup 3180:". Well, this is OPINION of yours. Part of this opinion is supported by the FIFA sources , which say that "With the passage of time, it became unrealistic to confer the world title on the winners of the Intercontinental Cup" , but the other part of your opinion ("until the last 1990s") is unsupported by the sources (by the way, it was in 1967, not the latest 1990s, that a FIFA official proposes to create a Club World Cup to include other continents). So I added the " 4049:, Copa Rio should be mentioned very briefly, only mentioning that the case is different from the Intercontinental Cup and that further information should be searched in the specific Copa Rio article. Finally, I presume good faith, including from you, and I am not comfortable to discuss with someone who presumes bad faith from me. If you can discuss the issue in good faith, for me it is oK, but if you insist in assuming bad faith (as you did here 1247:"world value" of the Intercontinental Cup; but I can assure that endless of extremely relevant sources worldwide do NOT see the Intercontinental Cup as a World title (see the Portuguese language article on the subject). The point is: FIFA (the only soccer authority officially legitimate to do so) does NOT OFFICIALLY treat the Intercontinental Cup as a Club World Cup; therefore, it is a matter of personal opinion, and consequently the article 4375: 1850:

keeps mentioning texts which are NOT in the "official documents" part of the FIFA site... these texts , mentioned by Dante, are produced by FIFA News Center, a News Centre that produces texts about many subjects sometimes even texts on footballers's weddings... clearly those texts are NOT any FIFA official position. Just to mention, CONMEBOL web-site also clearly cuts its official documents and positions from the other parts of the site.

2687:), and the continental club competitions organised by the other 4 confederations would be held after 1962 (at semiprofessional level, in fact, at the time the African and Asian national association teams had no direct fit for the World Cup, but for a playoff) and in several cases were suspended for a long time for extra-footballistic reasons, accentuating the position of the Europe-South America summit as football's " 2581:"The organisation of such a tournament is not subject to the prior agreement of FIFA, whose Statutes (Art. 38) only concern competitions between representative teams of national associations... I have no doubt that, if it is possible to reconcile the dates of this tournament with the busy calendar of the national championships and international matches, this event will be extremely interesting and very successful." 4183: 3324:

dont believe you here to try to increase the level of historical knowledge about the evolution of facts. Here you have been able to impose your view, though you were not able to impose it on the FCWC article. So, very sincerely and respectfuly to you, I have reasons not to believe your impartiality in the issue. If you keep erasing sourced content, I tell you this will be taken to the administrators.

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that the Intercontinental Cup was, at most, a “symbolic, honorific, not the true” club world title. Meaning: FIFA admits that the Intercontinental Cup was SEEN BY MANY PEOPLE as a club world title but that it was never an official or a full-fledged club world title. Meaning: FIFA admits that seeing the Intercontinental Cup as a world title has always been PURELY A MATTER OF OPINION.

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official for the Brazilian FA and the Brazilian FA saw it as a world title”; or, for another instance, I might for instance say that the Pequeña Copa del Mundo 1952-1957 is a world title even without FIFA officialisation “because it was official for the Venezuelan FA and the Venezuelan FA saw it as a world title”. This proves how stupid are Mr Dantes’s argumentations.

74: 53: 4311: 4215: 84: 4037:) in the article about world club champions, as Valcke and Urs issued FIFA documents treating the Copa Rio as a Club World Cup. I know that these Valcke/Urs statements were not made by the FIFA Council; however, as they are FIFA documents anyway, and as Copa Rio was treated in these documents as a Club World Cup, I think Copa Rio should be mentioned ( 2019:); therefore, it is matter of opinion to see the Intercontinental Cup as a world title or not. As an EXAMPLE, I guarantee that, after the 1980 Interamerican Cup between Pumas UNAM X Nacional Montevideo, no Mexican whatsoever would ever agree to call Nacional Montevideo as World Champion for beating Nottingam at the 1980 Toyota Cup. 2671:(cf. p. 60), included in this article supporting the entire incriminate paragraph, mention explicitly its nature: The competition was created to define the best club team in the world, so all winners were typically styled the "World Champion" due to historically the highest level of inter-club football worldwide was represented by 2578:) in the past and failed due to their incompetence. What really happened is that L'Equipe wanted this new European Cup to be played between the champions of the national leagues of Europe to which FIFA said they would not interfere with such a tournament given it does not clash with domestic leagues and national team fixtures. 1715:

about the Confederations Cup ("Also, FIFA not just organise worldwide competitions, but competitions at intercontinental level as Confederations Cup."), we should conclude that both the Intercontinental Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup are intercontinental events, but NOT conclude that they are world events....

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FCWC are competitions of equal "worth/impact" (or whatever), and it can't be like that, as it would be NPOV about the "perceived" "value/impact/worth" of teh competitions. Besides it, the words I am writing are EXACTLY the same words present on teh FIFA.com sources, which are quite authoritative in this sense.

2164:”…. Well, “SUCH AS” indicates that the Copa Rio was given AS AN EXAMPLE, and as far as I remember, the Intercontinental Cup was created in 1960, which is certainly a “YEAR GONE BY” relative to 2000. Therefore that media release makes clear that also the Intercontinental Cup is NOT a title official at FIFA. 1980:) in 1970 FIFA once more proposes THAT FIFA SHOULD REGULATE THE INTERCONTINENTAL CUP SO THAT THE INTERCONTINENTAL CUP COULD BE PLAYED AS AN OFFICIAL TOURNAMENT, and once more says that the FIFA decision to regulate the Intercontinental Cup (and turn it into a Club World Cup) dates back to as early as 1962. 3157:

PS: I check the loaction of the IPs, and they are Peru. I cant make accusations, but I do not doubt these IPs are the same Peruvian user who times ago used to controll this page (according to my checking the Historic of editions) and who is using IP nows as he knows that he is erasing sourced content

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2- I changed the "recognised as" (which sounds a bit like "by an authority") to "regarded as" (sounds more neutral). I am out of time to do it myself now, but I suggest looking for sources which called the IC a world title (newspapers, club sites, etc) and put them on links after the words "regarded

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In its non-official texts (produced by FIFA News Centre, which produces texts even on footballers' weddings…), FIFA recognizes that the Intercontinental Cup was WIDESPREAD SEEN BY MANY PEOPLE as a Club World Cup. However, in its very same texts (these texts were already posted above) FIFA makes clear

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I see that when Mr Dante can't reply a fact, he omits it, but there we go again: if we consider Nacional Montevideo as world champion 1980 for beating Nottingam at Toyota Cup 1980, why wouldn't it be fair to consider Pumas UNAM Mexico as world champion for beating the very same Nacional Montevideo at

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The Portuguese Knowledge (XXG) article on the Intercontinental Cup has also Mexican, South Korean, Costa Rican and Australian sources stating that the Intercontinental Cup was NOT a world title. I think in these cases it goes without saying the reason why they do not see the Intercontinental Cup as a

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interpretation which is very controversial. The CLUB LOGOS are extremely helpful in pages like that. It's an extra identification and helps to improve the quality of the article. Everyone wants to improve Knowledge (XXG) and you are always doing the opposite thing. I am Brazilian and I can't remember

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The offical name of the competition is "European-Southamerican Cup" (Intercontinental Cup is an nick name widely spread in the media). Now that there is a new competition officially named "FIFA Intercontinental Cup", this page should be renamed as either "European-Southamerican Cup" or "UEFA-CONMEBOL

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because it was not an prize conferred in an official ceremony, but simply the sports title which for more than four decades has been even announced at the stadium host to the competition's winner, which was accepted by most of the international football community as well as is also often referred to

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If you check the respective tournament finals referred to here, you'll note that Milan, Belgrade, Ajax and Manchester did not field a single player with South American nationality, whereas Juventus and Dortmund only fielded one. While it is true that the 1990s saw a general increase of the number of

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were South American and European teams while the rest of the semiprofessional teams of the other FIFA members had to play an elimination phase against a third European or South American team or between themselves. In addition, in 1960 the only confederations competitions were the European Champions'

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I have not "admitted" anything, much less tell what a subject in a blog, which is the same as zero in an encyclopedia:FIFA & UEFA's own documents confirmed that FIFA was no authority to organise interclub tournaments and the items of your favorite newspaper indicate that FIFA HAS NOT took action

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It must be pointed out that in FIFA official documents, the IC (Intercontinental Cup) is considered by FIFA as PREDECESSOR TO and PART OF THE HISTORY OF the FIFA Club World Cup, but NOT as a Club World Cup itself. On its official documents, FIFA HAS NEVER equalised the worth of the two competitions

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declare it a world title. Since FIFA does NOT OFFICIALLY declare the IC as a world title but only recognizes that some (or many) people saw it that way, then there´s no OFFICIAL FIFA position on the matter, and since there’s no OFFICIAL determination of the SOLE LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY on WORLD soccer

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However, it happens that Conmebol does NOT have jurisdiction over football at WORLD level, only at South American level. If I agreed with Mr Dante’s extremely stupid argumentation, I might for instance say that the Rio Cup 1951-1952 is a world title even without FIFA officialisation “because it was

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Also interesting that I made clear that the FIFA web-site clearly cuts its official documents from the other parts of the site, and the sole imaginable purpose of that is to make clear what are FIFA official views and what are NOT FIFA official views... Mr Dante didn't give any answer on that but he

1462:). As I wrote before, History said that Intercontinental Cup was created in 1960 to define "the best club team in the world" and "world champion" is the only honorific title that certifies it as "champion of Europe" certifies the best of Europe and "champions of the country", the best in the country. 1078:

in a July 28th 2005 text (about the 2005 FIFA Club World Cup) called "Japan welcomes the world with open arms" on its web-site, FIFA writes "Brought up watching the annual Europe-South America clash, Japanese fans are counting the days to the kick off of the true world club showdown", therefore FIFA

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Completely false and exaggarated; I have strong evidence (which I left at the external links section) that the IC was, in fact, financially attractive. The match generated over £50,000 (approximately £1.27 million in 2010), a record earning for any English club at the time. And on that same page, it

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Yes but it also states that FIFA recognize the former competition organized by CONMEBOL/UEFA, as it lists the 2005 edition winner along with the former ones. I disagree on the different trophy, different competitors, different format argument. Based on that the first editions of the World Cup should

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is like saying that the Superbowl list should the AFC and NFC winners or the NBA should count ABA winners (Sorry non-US readers, couldn't think of any other suitable analogy). Is a different trophy, different competitors, different format. Just keeps the name and the venue, since even the organizers

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It was the world club championship whether you like it or not. You are the one who lives on a different world. Europe and South America were THE Football powers. FIFA righly called it the world club championship stop revisionism you might as well claim the first 3 world cups were not real world cuos

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Second, I am here impartially. I am not trying to prove the IC was less "important" (or whatever) than the FCWC. I just noticed the article was written in a fashion suggesting that it was as "important" as the FCWC. And Knowledge (XXG) cannot have it, as such statements (both of them) would be POV.

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If a competition is considered by all parties concerned and interested as "predecessor" is just that simple common sense (a.e. The Fairs Cup is the forerunner of the Europa League and the Latin and Mitropa Cups are the same with the European Cup without never be formalized any alleged equivalence).

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Sure, the chances of Africans/Asians/"Concacafians"/"Oceanians" to reach to the FIFA World Cup were restricted in comparison to that of Europeans and South Americans. Anyway, small and restricted as the chances were, the fact is that Africans/Asians/"Concacafians"/"Oceanians" ALWAYS HAD A CHANCE to

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I will not lose more of my time here. Mr Dante is not here with seriousness and honesty. He is not here with the desire of contributing impartially and seriously. He is here because he wants to level the palmares of his club (Juventus) up to the palmares of its rivals (Ac Milan and Internazionale).

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Too long; didn't read. What I did read, however, I will respond to: UEFA refers to the Champions League as "football's premier club competition" because it is UEFA's competition; they obviously have an inherent bias towards preferring their own competitions. Anyway, to all intents and purposes, the

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However, it happens that UEFA or CONMEBOL or even UEFA+CONMEBOL do NOT have any legitimacy or jurisdiction to say it is offcial AS A WORLD TITLE. This right, this jurisdiction, is entitled to FIFA only , and EARLY SINCE 1961 FIFA makes clear that only competitions under FIFA auspices are legitimate

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I do not question whether or not the Intercontinental Cup was official or not for UEFA or CONMEBOL or both. However, UEFA, CONMEBOL or even UEFA+CONMEBOL do NOT have jurisdiction over soccer AT WORLD LEVEL, but at the level respectively of Europe, South America or Europe+South America. UEFA can say

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I will not lose my time here discussing with this Dante. He is supporter of a club (Juventus) which won Intercontinental but never won World while its biggest rivals (from Milano) won both Intercontinental and World. That's why he wants to insist in equalising the importance of the Intercontinental

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The point about the Confederations Cup ("Also, FIFA not just organise worldwide competitions, but competitions at intercontinental level as Confederations Cup.") is just a manner for Mr Dante to try to confuse in order to disguise Mr. Dante's lack of solid argumentationss... According to this view

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All right, tell me, Mr Dante: since when does UEFA jurisdiction cover the world? since when does CONMEBOL jurisdiction cover the world? as far as I remember, UEFA+CONMEBOL have jurisdiction over Europe+South America, not the whole world. And when you mention, "was clearly a world competition." ...

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When FIFA created its 2000 Club World Championship, a great many of sources worldwide regarded it as the very true first club world title, therefore NOT regarding the Intercontinental Cup as a world title: the Portuguese wikipedia article on the Intercontinental has a very large collection of links

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2- The Intercontinental Cup aimed at indicating the best of Europe+South America but NOT the best of the world. Three occasions on which the Intercontinental Cup had the chance to expand in order to cover all the world (or at least more of the world) but UEFA/CONMEBOL did not accept the expansion:

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then a subsidiary of this one? FIFA did NOT recognize the champion of the E/SA cup as World Champion. As a matter of fact, they were saying quite the opposite. This new cup has been created to eliminate this problem. Furthermore, please tell me why were both cups played in 2000 if they were one and

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called the Copa Rio as a friendly tournament, and so you cannot yourself interprete the FIFA statutes and thus claim that FIFA called the Copa Rio a friendly cup. This is called Original Research, which is vetoed by the Knowledge (XXG). Also, as for Copa Rio, I think that the it must be mentioned (

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of the FIFA.com site, which is the most authoritative on the subject. I am adding these words to make the article more neutral, in that its former form was suggesting a kind of "equivalence" of "value/impact/dimension" (whatever) between the IC and FCWC, which would be POV. I see that you comments

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Hello, I think it should be added the main goalscoring record of Intercontinental Cup history. The holder of this record is Pele (Edson Arantes do Nascimento) who has scored seven goals (in just three matches), more than any other player in the history of the competition. You can find attached the

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4- If the Pequeña Copa do Mundo had had an impact such as that of a World Title, no Brazilian club would ever have dismissed to play it. And Vasco da Gama dismissed to play it in 1953 giving the berth to Corinthians. The same Vasco da Gama that in 1951 unscheduled a tour to Europe in order to give

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However, this is definite NOT the case of the Pequeña Copa del Mundo. It was held in Venezuela and its most important competitors were Brazilian and Spanish sides. The Knowledge (XXG) Portuguese article on the Pequeña Copa del Mundo has many links to sources in Portuguese and Spanish language (the

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Hello, PeeJay, as you said, you didn't read the whole thing. Had you read the whole thing, you would know that, soon after Toyota Cup 1980, its winners (Nacional Montevideo) were beaten at Interamerican Cup 1980 by Mexican side Pumas UNAM, proving false your prejudiced misconception atributing the

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I will list a number of reliable sources that DO NOT mention the Intercontinental Cup as a World Title. Most of them (if not all) agree the Intercontinental Cup was the predecessor to the Club World Title, but none of them mentions the Intercontinental cup as being the same worth as the World Club

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Dante, in your answer, you skipped MOST things presented by me , and showed a great despise and arrogance, for example by calling me "kid" and thinking your opinion as better than the opinion of the others, for example when you say "And as for what the BBC et al write: the Intercontinental Cup and

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1- in april 1978, Mexican Club America beats Argentine Boca Juniors for the 1977 Interamerican Cup. Based on that achievement, Club America attempts to play the Intercontinental Cup representing the Americas, but it is denied . For those who read Spanish, see the newspaper of April 16 1978 and the

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I checked the history of editions, here of IC and FCWC. When other users brought newspaper archives from several countries (Spain, Italy, Brazil, Scotland), published years ago even much before the existance of Knowledge (XXG), you tried to erase and prevent them from being put here. I sincerely

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By the way, the FIFA.com sources I cited (and quoted the EXACT SAME words) are among the same FIFA.com ones you mentioned in your editions, the difference is that you apparently kind of "decided" (out of the authority you apparently think you have) which words of the source can be cited and which

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Third and last, As this is a tertiary information project, NO LEGAL AUTHORITY to say if the competition's alleged impact was higher, lower or equal than another cup in football, can not even suggest it since no certified expert edits. This is just a fan project as RSSSF(dot)com. The competition's

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Sir, your are mistaken. Your claims about the superiority of Euro and South American teams are right, as are right your claims that this is the reason why the competition was regarded as a club world championship. However, in the present form of this article, it looks like it is saying the IC and

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With respect to the history of the FIFA Club World Cup and intercontinental club competitions in YEARS GONE BY, SUCH AS the Copa Rio in the 1950s, the FIFA Executive Committee endorsed the view that the first edition of this competition was held in 2000 in Brazil where Corinthians became the very

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PS: Dante's version/edition of this article says that the Intercontinental Cup was "the most important tournament at international level in which any club could participate" ... if so, then why UEFA site calls the Champions League "FOOTBALL's premier club competition" rather than "UEFA's premier

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In Brazil, 1950-1966 we had the Rio-São Paulo tournament. Just to make a comparison: 1- the Rio-São Paulo tournament 1950-1966 was predecessor of the Brazilian championship, which was in 1967 an expasion of the Rio-São Paulo tournament; 2- the Rio-São Paulo tournament was official for both Rio de

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Also, FIFA not just organise worldwide competitions, but competitions at intercontinental level as Confederations Cup. Although in that tournament involving all the confederations, it is an intercontinental tournament (between continents). The hierarchy of a tournament (if global or local) do not

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Here, FIFA once again refers to Corinthians as the 1st club world champion; Blatter says the logical approach for FIFA is to have a competition with all 6 continental champions, implying that two-continental cups (such as Intercontinental and Interamerican Cups) are not the FIFA logical approach;

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with him beacuse the reason why people put images and logos and everything on a encyclopedia is to ilustrate and make the information clear. Another point is that if the image is already hosted in wikipedia and used on the soccer clubs pages, why can't we use it also on the competitions page like

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I can't speak for the rest but actually I do, and very often. If you read carefully it doesn't state that is the same thing, just says that "The second FIFA Club World Championship would build on the foundations laid by the Toyota Cup with the six continental champions participating in a knockout

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I would like to add some information about the Intercontinental Cup. In particular, I would like to mention Pele (the Brazilian legend) as the all-time top scorer of this competition. He has scored 7 goals more than any other player. Below I am attaching you the link (source) which verifies the

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Mr. Dante also lacks straight thougt, apparently. Many contradictions is his arguments: in some points of his talk, Mr Dante repeats time and time again that the Intercontinental Cup did not need FIFA envolvment or approval or etc because club competitions were originally precluded from the FIFA

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PS: when I say that this statement (the statement that the Intercontinental Cup was a world title) is a personal opinion, I am not questioning how many people in the world think so or how many think differently. Perhaps Mr. Dante Peruvian thinks that everybody in the world agrees with him on the

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Please can this unfair revisionism stop. It was not unfair to regard this as the world club championship as club football in the rest of the world outside of South America and Europe was a abysmal for most of this period. You might as well claim it is unfair to have a world cup now that does not

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For the IP: I do agree with you that FIFA has not recognised Copa Rio as a club world title. However, I disagree the way you approach the issue. First, you can certainly reproduce the FIFA Statutes, but you can not attribute to FIFA statements that FIFA has never made. FIFA has never explicitly

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with other users and even an administrator of this site: keep it short, be focus on the main point and should be easy to understand to somebody who don't know about it. In the current state the whole is a disaster due a your propaganda project started in pt.wiki, especially because your alleged

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1- I took out the de facto expression. Though the meaning of the expression de facto is quite clear (as opposed to de jure), the exact expression doesnt appear on any source. Therefore it is better to take it out, on order to avoid controversies (which have ocurred in the past referring to that

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also in a July 28th 2005 text (about the 2005 FIFA Club World Cup) called "Continental champions prepare for Tokyo draw" on its web-site, FIFA writes "the Toyota Cup, which superseded the Intercontinental Cup in 1980, has been revamped by FIFA to reach out to all confederations and associations

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Since FIFA is the sole body which can officialise competitions at world level, and FIFA does not see the Intercontinental Cup as one of its official events, therefore seeing the Intercontinental Cup as a "world title" is not an officially determined fact but a matter of one's personal opinion.

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Dante, try to think a bit more before using such idiotic argumentations as yours. You said that the Intercontinental Cup was a "world title" cause Europe and South America were in 1960 the only confederations with continental competitions (respectively the European Champions' Cup and the Copa

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Dante the Peruvian had stated that BBC "confirms that the Intercontinental Cup had the same status of the FIFA Club World Cup" or something like that. Here I show articles on BBC and UEFA sites by BBC´s Tim Vickery stating that the Europeans (mainly the British) saw the Intercontinental Cup as

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MY ANSWER: I agree ENTIRELY that: 1- the Intercontinental Cup is a predecessor to the FIFa Club World Cup ; the Intercontinental Cup is official before those legitimate on Europe+South America (UEFA & CONMEBOL) and therefore is official as European-South American title; 3- Europe and South

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is the same. Even FIFA considers the European/SA as World Champions, even if it wasn't organized by them. I think it should exists a page with the statistics regarding both European/SA and FIFA WCW. And if the European/SA continues existing, with the winners of Recopa Sudamericana and European

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but not 1951 and 1952 "The Copa Rio titles of 1951 and 1952, won by Palmeiras and Fluminense, respectively, are examples of competitions between teams from different countries that were not included in FIFA's agenda. The entity even recognized Palmeiras as world champion during the process of

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To what? The name "Intercontinental Cup" isn't the exclusive preserve of football. For instance, cricket has an "Intercontinental Cup" that is still a continuing competition. This page could be moved to "Intercontinental Cup (football)" or "Intercontinental Cup (soccer)" fairly easily though,

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I agree that there are a multitude of reliable sources with this view, and I agree that a multitude of other reliable sources (AT LEAST AS MANY AS and AS RELIABLE AS) do NOT consider the Intercontinental Cup as a World title... Brazilians have researched the subject deeply and the Portuguese

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I highlight that 2 times in History, non-European-non-South-American clubs proved beyond doubt on the pitch that they could beat South American clubs on the pitch, and based on that , they asked the right to compete in the Intercontinental Cup and were denied just because they were not South

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The most those pages say is that FIFA's statutes only concerned it with competitions/matches involving national teams and not clubs. I bring this up because the statement "FIFA's inability to organize club competitions..." makes it sound like FIFA tried to organize club competitions (like a

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Being sincere, with due respect (I don´t want to disrespect anyone), Mr Dante's atittude here in this Discussion Page makes me see he is a complete idiot, but even such idiots should think carefully before making prejudiced statements, cause one's prejudice can always turn back at oneself.

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3- Though it is not explicitly stated, the text sounds a little bit like it was suggesting a sort of "equivalence" of "worth" (or impact) between the IC and FCWC. Thus, to make the article sound more neutral, I added FIFA sources indicating differences between the IC and FCWC. To avoid any

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is now know as three times world champion. Where would be the best place to have all the statistics regarding Intercontinental Cup, Toyota Cup and FIFA WCW? Remember, the format has already changed once, when they started the single match decision in Japan. It's not so simple as you wrote.

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Dante The Peruvian showed the pdf about the creation of UEFA Champions Cup. The UEFA Champions Cup was created on suggestion of French newspaper L'Equipe, the same newspaper that, EXACTLY FOR NOT CONSIDERING THE INTERCONTINENTAL CUP AS A WORLD CLUB TITLE, proposed in 1973 and 1975 that an

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reserved for winners of some sporting achievements, but but have not no value for itselves. For example, according the regulations of the UEFA Champions League, the club winner is just recognised simply as "UEFA Champions League winner" because FIFA forbade it use the world "EUROPE" (cf.

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2559:, cited between the pages 7 and 9 of the pdf document. I note also that all the "history" section is saturated with references that can not be read (such as those identified in Portuguese) and others that have not relation/supporting to the theory exposed by certain banned user...-- 2014:

As a fact, the SOLE authority of soccer AT WORLD LEVEL is FIFA, and FIFA and only FIFA has the legal and “de facto” authority to “enforce” that a certain competition is a world soccer competition; and FIFA has never officialised the Intercontinental Cup AS OFFICIAL AT WORLD LEVEL

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Yes, but the WCW is a different competition. It is not only the format, is the name, the sponsor and the organizer. While the European/SA Cup was organized by Conmebol and UEFA, this one is by FIFA. There are even talks of redoing the European/SA Cup between the winners of the

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There isnt a single article currently in fifa.com which states so, third parties websites aren't an official source, and the link references which claims the official FIFA website is saying it is an official title, they don't say so anywhere. Check their contents again.

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as "Champion of ..." or " Champion" to winners of each league or the main continental competition regardless if are effectively confer by legal means (what does not in most cases). Now, if someone wants to say that was not considered in the Portuguese language World

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and to the Argentina and Brazil league cases, as (although I praise you for the willingness to contribute) I do think that these references put by you are indeed turning the article in much more complicated than it needed to be. Can we have an agreement now on the

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agrees. Those who have removed the content have been notified of this post. If they don't show up with good oppose arguments, and if others don't post here with good oppose arguments, then that's it, the content should be added to this article soon. Objections?

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Intercontinental Cup was definitely a world championship; Europe and South America were the only continents at the time that were capable of providing a team worthy of being called world champions, thus the title "world champions" was definitely applicable. –

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2- in april 1978, Mexican Club America beats Argentine Boca Juniors for the 1977 Interamerican Cup. Based on that achievement, Club America attempts to play the Intercontinental Cup representing the Americas, but it is denied . For those who read Spanish:

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Why not unify statistics in the same fashion as for the European Cup and Champions League? The information provided here, separating the tournaments, contradicts the general consensus in the football community and competent sources like FIFA and CONMEBOL.

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2- the contemporary Brazilian and Spanish presses treated that competition mostly as "Venezuela Cup" and "Caracas Cup" and quite seldom as "Small Club World Cup", and the Spanish press even cited that the competition was not up to "its pompous name".

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Well, if FIFA rejected so much the task of organising club competitions, why then FIFA's Stanley Rous proposed in 1967 that FIFA itself should make the Intercontinental Cup and expanded it under the auspices of FIFA to include Asia and Concacaf ????

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All these links (and many many more) are available on the Portuguese Knowledge (XXG) article on the Intercontinental Cup. Check them there and you will see that many many many people worldwide do NOT see the Intercontinental Cup as a world title.

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have sense because the tournament was not "worldwide" in legal terms, but inter-confederative. But football changes, through its legal value as the current tournament has not representing the highest level because that is exclusively in Western

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priority to the Rio Cup, that in 1998 travelled to Japan 10 days in advance to the match against Real Madrid in order to climatise, and in 1999 formed a super-team (with Romario, Edmundo) in order to play the 2000 FIFA Club World Championship.

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s articles said that), but to their respective national association and thus participates in national tournaments. The interclub football is the responsibility of the member associations and confederations according its own statutes (cf. also

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I see my recent edit has kicked off all this nonsense once again. Having a look at the Talk Page here and the previous discussions, this guy (I presume it's the same editor) either has far too much time on his/her hands or is just trolling.

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Do you all think that São Paulo should be considered 2005's Intercontinental Champion? From 2005 on the tournament is supposed to be really replaced by World Club Championship. Otherwise, we should consider Corinthians champions in 200 also.

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For Peejay: the contents on the origin of the competition refer to the claim that the Tornoi de Paris may have influenced the creation of the Intercontinental Cup. This issue was already in the article- I just provided more details.

3176:) and requested the protection of the page. If you keep on erasing sourced content, my next steps will be to request your block and account verification of you with the Dantetheperuvian account. Last but not least: you claimed that " 2159:) on which FIFA declares that Corinthians was the very first Club World Champion: this media release refers not only to the Rio Cup 1951-1952 but also to all competitions created previous to 2000. See that the media release says: “ 338:

or something similar. It was never known as the European/South American Cup during its lifetime - this seems to be revisionism on the part of UEFA. Does anybody know definitively what its name was, before it became the Toyota Cup?

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Mr Dante's (once more, stupid) argumentation: "As you can see, not only FIFA rejected held Intercontinental Cup, but also organise European Cup in 1955 and had refused to organize any tournament interclubs because then

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FIFA can recognize that SOME (OR EVEN MANY) PEOPLE AND SOURCES see the Intercontinental Cup (IC) as a Club World title, but as the competition is not official at FIFA according to FIFA itself, then FIFA simply CANNOT

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The stupid argumentations by Mr. Dante the Peruvian only show he is not impartial but only a supporter of some Intercontinental-Cup-winning team that partially wants to enhance the status of the Intercontinental Cup

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I agree. Before Toyota Cup, it was called Intercontinental Club Championship, or simply Intercontinental Cup. It was never referred as European/South American Cup, despite only these two continents took part on it.

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when saying that Chelsea aims to be the second English club to be world champions, FIFA's Fahmy refers to Manchester United 2008 world title but DOES NOT refer to Manchester United 1999 Intercontinental title.

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3- Brazilian clubs won that Cup twice (Corinthians- 1953 and São Paulo- 1955) and the Brazilian press didn't give it even 10% of the importance it gave to Rio Cup, Intercontinental Cup and FIFA Club World Cup.

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1- the Intercontinental Cup is not officially a world title. therefore it is a matter of opinion to see it as a world title. 2- Argumentation can be put against seeing the Intercontinental cup as a world title.

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define the participants, but the organization of the tournament, is why a national tournament can be even with 2 participants as having the same format as the World Cup and no be considered a world tournament.

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in the Intercontinental Cup and its legitimacy of what allocated despite the demands of the "world football" simply "because it was not their business", but the bussiness of its organiser (UEFA-CSF). And the

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because they dont fit his/her opinion. I warn I will demand Knowledge (XXG) mediation, and you wll have the chance to explain why you think we can´t cite the exact words of football most important web-site.

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based on opinions , some of which are really based on facts (the IC was called world title due to the strength of Europe and South America) and others are merely unsourced opinion of yours (the comments "

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The claim "world champion" had sense until last 1990 when at club level EUR and S.America were the club football's top level and the IC, the only cup who crushed them as written in all that sources. Add

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Mr Dante said: “Intercontinental Cup does not need FIFA officialization because it was made by UEFA and CONMEBOL, and at least one of them (Conmebol) sees it as official and sees it as a world title”.

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the Intercontinental Cup is official as a European title, OK; Conmebol can say it is official as a South American title, OK; they can jointly say it is official as a European/South American title, OK.

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for the Club World Cup and its alleged project to creation started more than a century SIMPLY had no connection with the Intercontinental Cup and make it more heavy without reason for any user.

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I rv'd the latest anon's comments since he removed and modified previous existing comments. Whoever posted them is welcome to re-write them here, this time without disturbing previous words.

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The statement that the Intercontinental Cup was a world title is a personal interpretation about it and NOT an officially FIFA-determined fact. And this has to be made clear in the article.

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You're just saying rubish! You must live in a different world, with 2 continents only... In that case why did the world cup started with other countries than european and south american?

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Once again Mr Dante is false: I totally agree that the Intercontinental Cup is official as long as a Europe+South America title; however it is YES unofficial as long as a world title.

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The Intercontinental Cup may (perhaps) be official before UEFA and/or CONMEBOL, but these two entities have jurisdiction over Europe and South America, but NOT over the whole world.

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Can someone explain how the points system worked that was used up to 1969? It doesn't seem to make much sense and I can't work it out from the scores and points for the games listed.

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Your problem, Dante, is that you are somewhat unhappy cause AC Milan and Internazionale have both world and intercontinental title; while Juventus only has Intercontinental title...

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are different (FIFA vs CONMEBOL/UEFA). That "I'm better than you" attitude is not exactly conducent to Knowledge (XXG). Just to finish, this is a quote from an old (2004) article in

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It took a while to understand what you wanted to say. Perhaps, you want to ask, "What if we add...". I think we could do that (the reason must be just a few words, with a footnote).

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controversies, I wrote the words exactly as they appear on the FIFA sources, and to make verification easier, I quoted them in the source links and CAPITALISED the quoted words.

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existence of good club football only to Europeans and South Americans. The same thing had happened in 1978 in the Interamerican Cup between Mexican Club America and Boca Juniors.

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statute... on other points, he highlights how FIFA acknowledged the world value of the Intercontinental Cup. Interesting thoughts of Mr Dante: when FIFA says it was non-official

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the final match (Cruz Azul X Boca Juniors), Conmebol announces that Cruz Azul would NOT be allowed to represent Conmebol at the Toyota Cup even if Cruz Azul won Libertadores.

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The text say something about "World Club Championship". It's wrong. It can not be called "World Club Championship". It's not fair with clubs from Concacaf, OFC, CFA and AFC.

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FIFA NOT HAD, AND DO NOT HAVE NEVER legal authority over the Intercontinental Cup as "be leveled with the CWC" because such authority is exclusive of the UEFA-CONMEBOL axis.

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However, I say: European/South American title IS NOT world title; ALMOST ALWAYS is not ALWAYS; "predecessor to Club World Cup" IS NOT the same as the Club World Cup itself.

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Even people as stupid as Mr Dante should be careful before making prejudiced statements as he made. I am totally sure that Mr. Dante would NOT appreciate if someone said:

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the final (Cruz Azul X Boca Juniors), Conmebol announces that Cruz Azul would NOT be allowed to represent Conmebol at the Toyota Cup even if Cruz Azul won Libertadores.

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Yes, must be here, and even in the lead section, because it represents, as any degree, a symbol, and for many clubs in the world, the fact of won this competition mean

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I stronly suggested to add the champions of Toyota cup and Intercotinental cup to the champions list, and the most successful club would become Milan(4 times winner).

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is very reasonable. It's very important stop these annoying edit wars, and enforce those editors to expose their arguments on the talk page or stoping vandalizing WP.

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Mr Dante´s argumentation: "6- Cite: "Therefore, seeing the Intercontinental cup as a world title is YES a matter of personal opinion, not an official fac" (sic.)"

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should not be here. perhaps it would be wiser to have that in the FIFA WCW article; having it here would lead not only to confusion but to equivocated information.

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https://ge.globo.com/futebol/mundial-de-clubes/noticia/2023/12/23/fifa-nao-reconhece-os-titulos-de-mundiais-de-santos-flamengo-gremio-e-sao-paulo-checamos.ghtml

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I think that makes obvious that CONMEBOL also see the former Intercontinental/Toyota Cup and the current FIFA Club World Championship as the same tournament.

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The problem is that the European/South American Cup will (probably) continue to be played, but with a different meaning. Therefore, any statistics regarding

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I will ERASE the debatable sentence from the article. If you disagree, Dante, please be kind enough to demand Moderation for our debate on this article .

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Someone is removing all the soccer club logos from each championship page. The person who is doing this claims that "Fair Use" is not for ilustrating. I

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There are no countries competing in the Intercontinental Cup. This is an unnecessary table summarising something that doesn't need to be summarised. –

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those who call it world cup are like americans who call world series to a baseball competition that only americans play! pure rubbish from idiots!

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For those who read Spanish, three times on which FIFA openly referred to the Intercontinental Cup as a non-official, non-FIFA and friendly cup:

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5- Cite: "Therefore, seeing the Intercontinental Cup as a world title is not an official determination by who is legitimate on the matter: FIFA"

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the Intercontinental Cup was not open to Mexico/Concacaf clubs even if they unquestionably beat the South American champions on the pitch.

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many teams names but when I see the logo it's much easier to identify. Sorry but your points are very weak and i'll revert your changes.

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FIFA proposed to stage a Club World Cup. So, since 1962 it is a complete lie that FIFA always pulled itself out of club competitions.

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the same? Why was the cup slated to be played (although later scrapped) in 2002? Why was the original idea to play it every 2 years?.

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First of all, a user who uses puppets for years and which hides cyber-coward has no authority to criticize the work of another user.

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I agree talking is stupid, Dante. You are being intelectually dishonest in your talk here, Dante, so talking with you is stupid...

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state it purely (meaning: state it without further comments and notes) that "the Intercontinental Cup was seen as a World Title".

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this? The one who removes the logos is cleary misinterpretating the "Fair Use" rules. What do you people think about this subject?

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to the winning club)"...once again, Dante, you say your opinion, atribute it others, BUT WITHOUT LINKS TO COMPROVE IT.

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In its "official documents" FIFA considers the UEFA Champions League as just a "qualifier" for the Club World Cup, but

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That information is really dated now, and there is no mention whatsoever to it at fifa.com, conmebol.com or uefa.com.

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Where did Mr Dante get the idea that the Lipton Cup and the Pequeña Copa del Mundo were "best of the world title"???

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If you need Spanish translation I'd gladly help, but it makes very clear that CONMEBOL doesn't quite agree with you.

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With the passage of time, it became unrealistic to confer the world title on the winners of the Intercontinental Cup

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The following sentence from the section "Toyota Cup" appears to be biased towards the South American point of view:

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I know this as the world cup for teams. That's what we call it. It is the hifgest price any team can win, isn't it?

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Not only by that, but because by then the only national associations affiliated to FIFA that had direct fit to the

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Why if we add in the table the editions who were not played and add the information why the final was not play ?--

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by FIFA's own inability to perform club tournaments until 2000. What happens is that IP user wants to show the

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is not it, but is an independent with rules, format and trophy itself. Furthermore, since in your MD articles,

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be regarded as the best club side in the world", therefore FIFA makes clear that only the FIFA Club World Cup

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So what the sponsor is the same?!?!? If two soccer teams have the same sponsor then they are the same? Is the

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I would recommend changing the statement in the article to reflect the circumstances with better accuracy. --

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legitimacy of the title "world champion" assigned to the winner of the Intercontinental Cup from 1960 to 2004

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Meaning: the competition system indicated the best of Europe+South America, NOT the the best of the world.

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Dear sir, fact is that an IP from your alleged country was erasing sourced content, which was by the way

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and then making a trangression to Wikiepdia rules. Well, as said, I will demand mediation on the issue.

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1- the 1960's, Asia and Concacaf request participation at the Intercontinental Cup and they are denied:

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Kid, do not get confused: "world champion", "king of Europe", or "Home's emperor" in sports are simply

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Kid, do not get confused: "world champion", "king of Europe", or "Home's emperor" in sports are simply

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I believe it would be best to keep the statistics at the new FIFA Club World Championship article.

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and therefore considered by FIFA CWC predecessor and part of the history of that competition (cf.

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and therefore considered by FIFA CWC predecessor and part of the history of that competition (cf.

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1- that competition was not called a "World title" not even by the contemporary Venezuelan press

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write: the Intercontinental Cup and the Club World Cup competitions are different than assigned

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PS: IP, in order to reach a halfway, I erased all discussion of Copa Rio from the articles in

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And what about this image? I think the real name of the cup is the one that you see there..

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http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=107/edition=4735/news/newsid=101662.html

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of the introduction coincides fully with what REQUIRES Knowledge (XXG) and some months ago

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http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/clubworldcup/japan2005/news/index%2Cpage%3D13.htmx

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http://www.santosfc.com.br/historia/default.asp?id=18033&c=Hist%F3ria&st=T%EDtulos

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without ever trying to take out any sourced content, have it come from you, IPs or whoever

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first FIFA club world champions. Other tournaments are not considered official FIFA events

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The claim "world champion" had sense until last 1990 when at club level EUR and S.America

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So, what is the best way to unify the titles and statistics regarding both competitions?

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Absolutely not, its a completely different cup, different format and different wikipage.

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It seams that the Intercontinental Cup is not dead. For the 2005 Cup, the winner of the

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I think Intercontinental Cup is pretty much common than the European/South American Cup.

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Libertadores Cup: the very same foundation of the creation of the Intercontinental Cup

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A UEFA official document saying that FIFA did NOT authorise the Intercontinental Cup:

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All sources show that the FIFA Club World Cup has always been far more important.

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Mr Dante also said that: "FIFA's position regarding the value of the tournament is

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everybody in the world agrees that the Intercontinental cup is worth a world title

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São Paulo FC should be credited here as 2005 Intercontinental/Toyota Cup champions

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are not opposites, they are complementary, as the front and back sides of a coin.

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Pls kindly let me know if this is possible or if you could do that on my behalf.

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http://www.toyota-global.com/events/sports_sponsorship/soccer/cwc/activities.html

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http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/fifafacts/mencompcwc/01/15/71/66/fcwc2012_kit.pdf

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Last but not least: Dante says "What happens is that IP user wants to show the

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If an explanation already exists somewhere, can it be linked to the article. –

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Supercup, it shouldn't be considered the same competition. What do you think?

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Sorry, but the sponsor is the same. And the most important point is that the

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as a "friendly" / "unofficial" competition and that is completely false.--"

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Well, I think that is quite clear for all of us that, correct if I'm wrong:

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The 2000 tournament edition is pretty much ruled out as it was discontinued

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as a "friendly" / "unofficial" competition and that is completely false.--

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1- Check out the FIFA video for the draw of the 2012 FIFA Club World Cup:

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2- FIFA has never officialised the Intercontinental Cup as a FIFA event;

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should point here until most -- if not all -- of those wikis are fixed. --

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makes clear the difference between "Europe-South America clash" and "the

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This discussion is stupid. The Intercontinental Cup may not have been a

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So what? FIFA NOT DECIDES about club association football due clubs

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So what? FIFA NOT DECIDES about club association football due clubs

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Allright, I did it. I appreciate your help. Now everything is fine.

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rather than unilaterally delete information properly referenced.--

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club competition" or "EUROPE's premier club competition" ???? (

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articles, and proceed to discuss Copa Rio in its own article?

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that the Intercontinental Cup was a world title , and should

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1- FIFA is the only soccer official authority at world level

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world club showdown" (refering to the FIFA Club World Cup).

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When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the

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the Club World Cup competitions are different than assigned

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The Intercontinental Cup is NOT official as a world club cup

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once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title

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once more: only mentioned, not listed as a Club World title

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Anyway, the theme is already discussed in the topic above.

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Interamericana Cup 1980 soon after the Toyota Cup 1980???

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official media) ed. December 2009, p.57 & p.15 of that

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is clear that the British tried to destroy the competition

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as they did not include british sides you are a total liar.

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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for additional information. I made the following changes:

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ANSWER: :::::::: ALL RIGHT, MR DANTE PERUVIAN, you said: "

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http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/officialdocuments/index.html

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there's a strict relationship between both competitions.

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one, as per a multitude of reliable sources. Thanks. –

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American are ALMOST ALWAYS the best houses of soccer.

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European/South American Cup or Intercontinental Cup?

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all-continent Club World Cup should be created (see

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Great! Any other ideas? I think this will work fine.

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