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Austria. This article does not apply to IU since IU is licensed and recognized in it’s country of origin - - Alabama, U.S. - - as an American university domiciled outside the State of Alabama with permission to confer degrees through the Department of Postsecondary Education in Alabama, U.S. This is further verified on the Alabama Commission on Higher Education site, which not only lists IU as one of its Non-Resident Private Degree-Granting Institutions, but further states definitively, "Accreditation is a voluntary, nongovernmental process .... In the absence of centralized authority over institutions of higher education at the national level, the fifty states assume varying degrees of control over educational institutions." (
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First you indicated they are not legal; now you indicate they are not valid. In order to clarify the legal situation: degrees conferred from universities outside the EU may require nostrification in order to have the same legal status as degrees issued from
Austrian public universities. This situation only applies to Austria. Important to mention is that businesses in general rarely ask for nostrification as it is uncommon - - especially in an international environment. Businesses generally rely on the grades a student has earned and a review of the content of the courses. A few exceptions may occur if public or governmental institutions explicitly request a degree from an accredited university. Nevertheless, IU graduates are hired consistently and their degrees are accepted around the world.
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Austria. In fact, this was not only the first but until now the only revocation of a University accreditation in Austria (in case of IMADEC the accreditation period ended regularly and was not renewed). The link to the Austrian Ministry of Interior suggests official governmental recognition although it just mentions IUV as a nonacademic institution. Sorry IU-Globalcitizens, but the right to grant academic degrees in Austria requires accreditation. To avoid an edit war I suggest that you add your valuable information without using the same edit to delete NPOV facts.--
192:, page 5). In addition, Knowledge (XXG) states “when discussing accreditation in the United States, it is important that the concept of accreditation not be confused with the authority to operate. The authority to operate a school in the U.S. is granted by each of the states individually. The U.S. is a federal republic, and the federal government possesses only specific limited powers with all others reserved to the states (pursuant to the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution)” (please see
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2. You are right, the grade can be legalized by nostrification. But this situation does not only apply to
Austria. Nostrification is also necessary in other counties like Germany. I cannot comment on your statement "that businesses in general rarely ask for nostrification as it is uncommon", because
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It does not seem that you want to improve anything you are interested in publicity. This is not an article about IUVIENNA but an article about how to damage thhe image of students that seek to build their future. I am not focussing on vandalism neither is it my intend, it simply was the first time
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Thank you for adding references; unfortunately, the cited paragraph does not at all apply to The
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Anyways the International University incourages students from around the world not to loose their faith in its institution. Its independent move is mostly seen as an outstanding event which is meant to go against the mistreat and abuse of higher education in terms of quantity and quality, where
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dimension of IU. Students from around the world are invited to join the university without any fear from anybody. Neither the government nor anybody else is going to punish the students of IU for being what they are, namely students who have a dream, the dream of amiliorating worlds.'
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The quality of IU's programs is in part affirmed by the excellent career opportunities its graduates have and the number of accredited institutions to which its graduates have transferred www.iuvienna.edu and the numerous affiliations with U.S. accredited universitites.
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