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either a strong motion record that was recorded at the site during the earthquake, or if it is an estimate of a possible future event from a particular fault source, in which case you know (or estimate from historical records) the magnitude and distance, and with an attenuation relationship (describes the reduction in energy as the wave travels through the earth from fault to your site), you can determine the bedrock ground motion at your site. You then consider how the ground motion is amplified (or perhaps dampened) by the soil layers on your site (this is called site response analysis). The resulting accelerations at different modes of oscillation (frequency or period) can then be used to estimate the acceleration in the earthquake that will excite your particular object. This depends on the natural frequency of the object you are considering. If, say a tall building, high frequency waves will not have much effect, but low frequency (long period) motion will cause the building to sway about its natural frequency. This is the acceleration from an earthquake that you are most concerned with as a designer.
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Not sure whether this is still an issue, as I can't find the notation anywhere in this article. But yes, I agree that the notation of your first equation is irritating. I have seen it occasionally and (as far as I understood) it comes from the definition of the displacement gradient tensor: sometimes
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hi !! i guess i know the difference.... strain gives the deformation in comparison with the original length. for example. if strains is 0.03, it means the body has deformed 3 percentage of its length. where as deformation is just a value with out comparing with its length. if deformation is 3mm.. it
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Hi everyone! I've got a question concerning the terms "strain" and "deformation". The article says strain characterizes deformation, while, e.g., Britannica makes no difference between these words. It says "...deformation, or strain,...". So which is correct? Are there any authorities supporting the
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The magnitude of an earthquake is only an indication of the energy released at point of rupture. At the site you are concerned with, the force on an objects mass due to the earthquake will be a function of the earthquake strong motion (acceleration time history) at the site (F = m*a). This requires
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I just did loads of stuff to this article. I would say its fairly clean, not quite featured article standard, but clean enough to remove the cleanup notice. I took out a couple of bits about earthquakes, I thought that was a bit too detailed (do we really want to know about tectonic folding in a
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HI. I think there's another error in the article. (3/7/2012) In "the Axial Vector" section ~ which sounds really weird. Wtf is an axial vector...? your omega = del X u when written in tensor notation is missing the derivative term. Books on fluid mechanics like to call this the rotation rate
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I think that this article would be more accessible if it were simply named "Infinitesimal strain", which starts with a simple explanation of infinitesimal strain and then goes on to spend most of its time on infinitesimal strain theory. Opinions?
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Hi everybody, I just noticed what might be an important error in the definition of the strain tensor. Following Chaikin and Lubensky's "Principles of condensed matter physics", there should be a minus sign in front of the nonlinear term of :
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I really dislike the notation used here, as well as in the finite strain theory article, for the displacement gradient tensor. Writing the operand before the gradient operator seems very unusual to me in the following equation:
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You're right. The correct linearization argument is that grad u << 1 which implies that both eps << 1 and the spin omega << 1. The displacement doesn't have to be physically small, e.g., mm instead of m.
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Strain is a technical term with a precise technical dfinition, so in general Britannica may be right, but in technical discussion strain means something particular whereas "deformation" isn't well-defined (as far as I know).
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Hi. I think there is an error in this article. (today: 5/11/05) It's written: 'If Strain is greater than 1, the body has been lengthened; if it is smaller than 1, it has been compressed.' In fact it is: if strain :
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vector, vorticity, etc. not "axial vector". You actually switch in this segment between calling it rotation vector and axial vector. please call it one thing. subject difficult enough without odd variable names.
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Agreed & removed. Both in the analytical and in the geometrical derivation, one can see that the magnitude of the displacements doesn't matter. Instead, only the gradients mater. See also
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Deformation is the accumulation of strains. I would consider units of deformation to be mm, m, etc., whereas strain is normalised over the dimension being considered.
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A very similar article to the present one can be found here: www.iue.tuwien.ac.at/phd/singulani/disssu4.html. In such a text, there where two references:
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The St. Venant's compatibility equations article should be merge into the strain article as the former can be seen as a subtopic of strains. Comments?
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The last section on engineering uses epsilon instead of varepsilon. Is there any reason for the inconsistency? If not, I would prefer varepsilon
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strain article?), and changed the Small values of strain section to Engineering strain vs. true strain. I'm not done with this article yet. --
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Hi everybody, it can be of some interest to refer of some published text-book in which these information are reported and (maybe) expanded.
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0, the body has been lengthened and if strain < 0... according to the definition of the strain written in this same article! Am I right?
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A vector field F makes an unannounced appearance is Sec 1 after "Furthermore". I have no idea what this bit is about. Can someone clarify?
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Hi, i'm trying to find the strain in an aliminium pipe, how do i find the change in length, so that i can find the strain? Nathan
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No. It is only the case of rank 2, dimension 3 that is applied to strain. The result is for a general dimension and rank.
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Can somebody please fix the red "Failed to parse(unknown function '\begin')" text? Or am I the only one seeing it? ----
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It is unclear why the first condition is required. In the reference textbook given at the end of the article (namely
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Where did this notation come from? There are no references in this article which is also problematic. The
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as a quantitative measure. I have only heard the word modified to describe how something deformed as in "
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G.-Q. Zhang, W. van Driel, and X. Fan, Mechanics of Microelectronics. Springer, 2006, vol. 141, ch. 4.
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A link to Eulerian and Lagrangian strain tensor could be useful. Even only if to know what E and u are.
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Hello, How would I calculate the force on an object created by a 6.0 earthquake. (The forced movement)
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article uses the standard notation, and there are even instances in this article where it says
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Maybe there are suitable also for the actual wikipedia article? Thank you, have a nice day. --
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Thanks; I've rewritten parts of the article. Please review it and let me know what you think.
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cannot possibly be compared with 1 (one) because it carries dimensions (actually length).
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I suggest remouving the condition (1) unless someone clarifies why it is necessary.--
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Talk:Infinitesimal_strain_theory#Definition_of_infinitesimal_strain_theory
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Slaughter, W. S., 2002, The Linearised Theory of Elasticity, Birkhauser
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I have never heard "deformation" used with technical precision within
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view expressed in the article? Viktor 12:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
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Mohrs Circle of Strain (yes it can be applied to strain as well!)
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A. F. Bower, Applied Mechanics of Solids. CRC Press, 2011.
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Should be fixed now, thanks for mentioning the problem. --
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the displacement gradient is small compared to unity:
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the displacement (vector) is small compared to unity:
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Strain hardening -- & strain softening behaviour!
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You may be willing to compare the displacement field
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I disagree (need to think about it more). Please see
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Merging St. Venant's Compatibility equations article
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