1648:๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐บ consisted almost entirely of elite amateur ringette players (๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐น๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐น ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ฒ๐บ๐ถ-๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ). Canada's ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐ต๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐. Meanwhile, both the USA ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐บ๐ ๐ฎ๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ฒ๐ป๐๐ถ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐น๐ ๐บ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฒ ๐๐ฝ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐ต๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐. In recent years, one of the coaches for Sweden's national ringette team was a well-medaled ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ธ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐ฝ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ (not sure if they ever played ringette). Plus, the UK is sending a ๐๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ ๐๐ฟ๐ถ๐๐ฎ๐ถ๐ป ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐บ to the Women's Bandy World Championships this year. Their head coach is a man who used to play ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ณ๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐๐ต๐ฒ ๐ต๐ถ๐ด๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ ๐น๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐น ๐ฐ๐น๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฆ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ก๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ฎ๐. Since the British team's players who are UK born can ice skate but didn't grow up playing bandy, rinkball or ringette, ๐๐ช๐๐จ๐จ ๐ฌ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข ๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฎ ๐๐๐ข๐ ๐๐ง๐ค๐ข?โฃ โฃ ๐๐ณ ๐๐ผ๐ ๐ผ๐ป๐น๐ ๐น๐ผ๐ผ๐ธ ๐ฎ๐ ๐บ๐ฎ๐น๐ฒ ๐ฎ๐๐ต๐น๐ฒ๐๐ฒ๐, I can see why you wouldn't make the connection, since this dynamic style of winter team sports participation occurs more often among the female population.โฃ โฃ ๐๐ผ๐๐๐ผ๐บ ๐น๐ถ๐ป๐ฒ is, with the possible exception of the Sweden coaches, ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐ค๐ฅ ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐ง๐ฃ๐๐ฉ๐๐ค๐ฃ๐๐ก ๐๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐ฉ๐๐จ ๐๐๐๐ฃ'๐ฉ ๐๐๐ซ๐๐ก๐ค๐ฅ๐๐ ๐๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ก๐ก๐จ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐ก๐ฎ, ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฎ ๐๐ค๐ช๐ก๐ ๐ฃ๐๐ซ๐๐ง ๐๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ฎ ๐ง๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ ๐ฉ๐ง๐๐ฃ๐จ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ก๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ก๐ก๐จ ๐๐ฃ ๐๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ง ๐๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข ๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ. ๐ฝ๐ช๐ฉ ๐จ๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐๐ก ๐๐ก๐ง๐๐๐๐ฎ ๐๐๐ซ๐. Some skills are transferable from one sport to another, while others not so much, but mastering ice skating skills is an unavoidable requirement if playing any of these winter team sports, transferring between them, or competing in more than one at the same time or at different points.โฃ โฃ ๐๐ป๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ป๐ผ๐๐ฒ: ๐ ๐๐ก ๐๐ก๐ ๐ช๐ข๐ ๐๐กโฃ โฃ There are ๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ณ๐ฒ๐๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐น๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ด๐๐ฒ๐ for men's bandy and men's ice hockey (paid pros), while women only play ice hockey professionally. There's ๐๐ฒ๐บ๐ถ-๐ฝ๐ฟ๐ผ ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ in Finland, Canada and reportedly Sweden as well, ๐ป๐ผ๐ ๐๐๐ฟ๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฎ๐'๐ ๐๐ฟ๐๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป'๐ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐, and it doesn't appear there's anything for men or women in rinkball.โฃ โฃ Amateur-wise, in top tier international competitions, ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ต๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐, ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐, ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ธ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ (๐ฐ ๐๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐) while ๐บ๐ฒ๐ป ๐ผ๐ป๐น๐ ๐ฐ๐ผ๐บ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐, ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ต๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐, ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ธ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐น๐น (๐ฏ).โฃ โฃ ๐๐๐ฃ๐๐๐ฉ๐ฉ๐ ๐๐จ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ค๐ฃ๐ก๐ฎ ๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ ๐ค๐ช๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐๐ก๐ก ๐๐ค๐ช๐ง ๐ฌ๐๐๐ง๐ ๐๐ก๐ก ๐๐ฉ๐จ ๐๐ก๐๐ฉ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐ฉ๐๐จ ๐๐ง๐ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ข๐๐ฃ ๐๐ฃ๐จ๐ฉ๐๐๐ ๐ค๐ ๐ข๐๐ฃ.โฃ โฃ ๐ง๐๐๐ฅ๐! ๐ก๐ข ๐๐ข๐ข๐! ๐ง๐๐๐ง'๐ฆ ๐๐ข๐ฅ ๐๐ฅ๐๐! ๐๐๐ผ๐ถ๐ฑ ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฟ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐บ๐ถ๐๐๐ป๐ฑ๐ฒ๐ฟ๐๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐. I know no one ASKED, no one wanted it, but you won't find it anywhere else, (except for maybe USA Hockey). No page for this exists on wiki either, so can't give source material. Someone may need it eventually, who knows. So here it is.
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would just be ball hockey, street hockey or dek hockey, floorball, floor hockey with pucks/disks/balls, etc., gym hockey, inline hockey, rink hockey (quad)...you get the idea.โฃ โฃ ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ ๐ช๐ข๐จ๐๐ ๐ก๐ข๐ง ๐๐ ๐ช๐๐ก๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐ง๐๐๐ ๐ฆ๐ฃ๐ข๐ฅ๐ง๐ฆ. Or they would be winter team sports like curling or ice stock (requires teams take turns, no ice skates of any kind, they use shoes) โฃ Evidence for a relevant and interesting connection between these four shows up when learning about ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฅ๐๐ง๐๐ค๐ง๐ข๐๐ฃ๐๐, ๐ฌ๐๐ฃ๐ฉ๐๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐๐ข, ๐ข๐ช๐ก๐ฉ๐-๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ ๐๐ฉ๐๐ก๐๐ฉ๐๐จ, especially ๐ช๐ข๐ ๐๐ก athletes in
Finland, as I've been finding out.
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other editors are coming in to speak, I believe it's important that they use their best judgment when it comes to evaluating
Ravenswings claims (unless they themselves have a similar angry agenda) which in themselves qualify as edit warring without justification. Especially with the aggressive and abusive tone involved. The only edit warring here right now is being brought by this individual who is on a war path. I have spoken to other editors and they don't approach other editors this way, and if it gets heated, it usually simmers down after talking.
1847:"In 2008, the International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF) officially declared that the first game of organized ice hockey was played in Montreal in 1875. Many also consider ice hockeyโs first rules to have been published by the Montreal Gazette in 1877. However, research reveals that organized ice hockey/bandy games were first played on skates in England and that the earliest rules were also published in England. Canada made important contributions to the game from the 1870s on. By the early 20th century, "Canadian rules" had reshaped the sport."
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1629:๐๐ ๐ฎ๐ค๐ช ๐จ๐๐ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐ฌ๐ค๐ง๐ "๐๐๐ช๐ ๐๐ก๐ค๐ฅ๐๐ก๐ก๐ค", ๐ฉ๐๐๐ฉ ๐๐จ ๐ฉ๐๐ ๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ ๐ค๐ ๐ง๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐ก๐ก, ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ๐๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ก๐จ๐.โฃ โฃ The winter team sports of ๐ถ๐ฐ๐ฒ ๐ต๐ผ๐ฐ๐ธ๐ฒ๐, ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ธ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐น๐น, ๐ฟ๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ฒ๐๐๐ฒ, ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ๐, are connected physically to some degree though they can't be effectively "grouped", at least not here. Regardless of which sport you're looking at, ๐ฅ๐ก๐๐ฎ๐๐ง๐จ ๐ค๐ฃ๐ก๐ฎ ๐ช๐จ๐ ๐ค๐ฃ๐ ๐ค๐ ๐ฉ๐ฌ๐ค ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐๐จ ๐ค๐ ๐๐๐ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐๐จ:
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Then I realized I needed references and did find some which were verifiable sources, which was somewhat helpful, but then I accidentally wound up expanding those parts to a length that simply wasn't reasonable and was too extensive. So I tried to go back, delete, simplify, etc. That apparently isn't working either. Next idea was, "maybe it needs it's own article". I'm not sure how well that would work either, it seems difficult and could be too big of a job, at least for me.
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๐ ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ฒ (๐๐ผ๐ผ ๐น๐ฎ๐๐ฒ):โฃ โฃ Hi, ๐ฃ๐ค, ๐ ๐๐ข ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ค๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐๐จ "๐๐ง๐ค๐ช๐ฅ๐๐ฃ๐" ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฃ. Turns out there are two types of talk pages on wiki, one for articles and one for personal, but when someone messages either, it doesn't show up in my notification box, only edits do. Please don't resort to pettiness. I appreciate the opportunity to have this discussion.
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well organized place which allows people to add pertinent information and better sources. Not being able to find the info I was looking for is probably the biggest reason why I keep coming back to try and edit these articles in particular, so other people, hopefully, don't have to suffer (as much) as I have lol. Not that it's all torture of course, and it's not a job or required, but I wish I could do a better job so others can enjoy that trip.
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1850:"...and that the earliest rules were also published in England...", "made important contributions to the game", "...Canadian rules reshaped the sport..."? Wrong. Before ice hockey and bandy, a variety of related informal skating team games which preceded both sports were played in various parts of North America and Europe. The earliest rules for
1727:. This is an article about ice hockey, not ringette, not bandy, and not rinkball. This talk page is to discuss content changes to this article. .Since you state "๐ฃ๐ค, ๐ ๐๐ข ๐ฃ๐ค๐ฉ ๐๐จ๐ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐ค๐ง ๐ฉ๐๐๐จ "๐๐ง๐ค๐ช๐ฅ๐๐ฃ๐" ๐ฉ๐ค ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ฃ" then your whole post is off topic. Please
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This page just seems desperate to redefine any early hockey as something other than Ice Hockey to clutch at the claim that
Canadians invented it. The fact is the oldest Ice Hockey tournaments still running today started with English teams and English rules, its enough that Canada took it and ran with
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and a puck, this is a big difference...even bandy goalnets are massive by comparison, it's a field sport on ice. "Canadian rules" did not "contribute" anything, Canadian rules did not "reshape the sport"...these developments marked the formal beginning of a new organized sport itself which is now ice
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These four sports wouldn't be classified as ๐๐ถ๐ป๐๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐๐ฒ๐ฎ๐บ ๐๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ if:โฃ a. they were individual sports or disciplinesโฃ b. they didn't use ice and require special equipment for athletes to use in order to play on this type of playing surface (ice skates).โฃ โฃ Without these two factors, they
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Not sure about bandy and rinkball ๐ด๐ผ๐ฎ๐น๐ถ๐ฒ๐, though hockey and ringette goalies do use the same type of goalie skate.โฃ โฃ ๐๐ถ๐ป๐น๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ต๐ฎ๐ ๐ป๐ฎ๐๐ถ๐ผ๐ป๐ฎ๐น ๐ด๐ผ๐๐ฒ๐ฟ๐ป๐ถ๐ป๐ด ๐ฏ๐ผ๐ฑ๐ถ๐ฒ๐ ๐ณ๐ผ๐ฟ ๐ฎ๐น๐น ๐ณ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ณ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ด๐ฎ๐ป๐ถ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐, but no other country does as far
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WARNING: "especially before it was acceptable for women to play ice hockey": This is factually incorrect. Legitimate sources are provided within the article itself. Ravenswing is leasing with emotion and opinion, not fact. I sourced this. Obviously someone has been waiting to launch an attack. If any
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I keep running into a number of problems with these four sports. They do have shared characteristics that are fundamental and make them distinct from other winter team sports, four of which most notably stick out, with the fact that they require ice skating skills being the most fundamental. However,
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were not published in
England, those rules were the precursors to organized bandy which has its own codes/rules. Apparently somewhere in the 1920's bandy received the name it is known by now (when and by whom, I don't know) to eliminate confusion with ice hockey which had developed in North America.
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So, please be aware that someone with an ulterior motive which has nothing to do with wiki is potentially involved. There is no need for this level of aggression, but clearly, someone is unhappy with information that upsets something they believe to be untrue, when it is not. I suggest
Ravenswing do
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Then I started looking around wiki a bit more, if it were to be done, it might fit better under the "Winter sports" page somehow. Probably the easiest to do and organize, and a better approach due to the fact that you can create a subheading with 4 sections which include basic information about each
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Hi. I apologize in advance because I have not really used the talk page option OFTEN, so I may not be using it as well as I could otherwise. This is about a problem regarding four winter sports which wiki covers: ice hockey, bandy, rinkball and ringette. Have been editing for a while, and while some
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Moving on, first off, it is scarcely "vitriol" to note that you've received many warnings from many editors for edit warring, poor citation practice, copyright violations, inserting original research into articles, and accusing editors who disagree with you of vandalism. Perhaps you're unaware how
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But I can't imagine at this point being able to do it alone and I've hit a dead end. The only reason I would like to do it is to help spare wiki readers the torture I feel like I've been through just trying to find information of these organized sports in a nice, informative, easily accessible, and
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I can't figure out where it's best to group/put them together. I thought there was an easy way to do this and that has not turned out to be the case. So, at first I was simply adding (what I thought was obvious at the time) information in short form on different articles to help link them together.
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They seem to be a lot closer connected than that. From a brief look, it appears that all four sports are played by skaters who use a stick to knock an object into a goal. They seem at least as closely related as the various codes of football (American football, association football, rugby, etc).
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Like I said, this discussion in and of itself is me gathering consensus. More people can come to talk if they please. If you cannot source the unsourced sections, and nobody else objects with a reason that either makes sense to me, or enough of the other folks here, I will either remove or heavily
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Colored Hockey League was founded decades after organized hockey play started in North America, and the degree to which it had little to no tangible effect on the progress of the sport comes from it having dropped so thoroughly into obscurity that most hockey historians had no idea it had ever
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Certainly. What "black canadian" origins do you fancy existed, and what are your sources backing up the same? Beyond that, far from being "largely unsourced," there are over FOUR DOZEN sources listed in the
History section of the article. Did you just not read it? With that being said, erm ...
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If you start looking up elite female ice hockey players from
Finland, it's not unusual to find that they have also played another one of these four sports, such as bandy and/or rinkball at some point (see wiki: "๐ฅ๐ถ๐ถ๐ธ๐ฎ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐น๐น๐ถ๐ป๐ฒ๐ป"). Some of these female Finnish athletes can and have also
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sourced, which is what led me to question whether you'd actually read it. As far as the importance of this page goes, yes, those of us who've been editing and contributing to it for many years are aware. (For my part, I don't edit video game articles, and leave discussion of those to editors who
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as it turns out they also have overlapping histories in many ways *headdesk*, eg. equipment development, playing surfaces, and even some rules which influenced the develop of one of the related sports directly. So this turned out not to be as trivial as I first thought. But they are interesting.
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This is off topic a bit because of a recent edit war, but just ๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ ๐ผ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ฟ ๐ฒ๐ฑ๐ถ๐๐ผ๐ฟ๐ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฝ๐ฒ๐ผ๐ฝ๐น๐ฒ ๐๐ผ ๐ต๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐ฎ ๐ต๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ ๐๐ฝ ๐ฎ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ธ๐ฒ๐ฒ๐ฝ ๐๐ผ๐บ๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ถ๐ป๐ด๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐บ๐ถ๐ป๐ฑ ๐ฎ๐ฏ๐ผ๐๐ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐๐ฒ ๐ณ๐ผ๐๐ฟ ๐ผ๐ฟ๐ด๐ฎ๐ป๐ถ๐๐ฒ๐ฑ ๐๐ฝ๐ผ๐ฟ๐๐ ๐ถ๐ป ๐ฐ๐ฎ๐๐ฒ ๐๐ต๐ฒ๐ ๐ฟ๐๐ป
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There's a reasonably lengthy section further down about women's hockey. If this material is appropriateโand I'm not expressing an opinion yea or nay on that issueโthen I cannot see why it would not go in that area. There seems to be no reason to overburden the lead paragraphs with that level of
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This is about
Knowledge (XXG) encyclopedia, it is not about which sports have the blessing of International Olympic Committee approval or which ones want it, that is not the criteria necessary for creating and developing articles about organized sport, it's merely one detail you can add to the
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Simply put, there is no "group" of four sports. They may share some characteristics, but that does not mean they are usually grouped together by sports writers or sport governing bodies. Ice hockey and bandy have a closer relationship to field hockey than to ringette, as far as I see it.
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None of the sources you added on the Colored Hockey League claim that they invented the game of ice hockey. Ice hockey already existed when the league began. So the game did not originate with that league, lack of cited sources about its European origin notwithstanding.
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transferred/alternated between sports (See wikipedia: "๐ฆ๐๐๐ฎ๐ป๐ป๐ฎ ๐ง๐ฎ๐ฝ๐ฎ๐ป๐ถ", played on both of Finland's national women's teams in both hockey and ringette. ๐ฝ๐ค๐ฉ๐ ๐จ๐ฅ๐ค๐ง๐ฉ๐จ ๐ช๐จ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ค๐๐ ๐๐ฎ ๐ง๐๐ฃ๐ ๐จ ๐๐ฃ๐ ๐๐๐ ๐๐ค๐๐ ๐๐ฎ ๐จ๐ ๐๐ฉ๐๐จ).
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