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Thanks for ~kind of~ explaining! Le Monde says he has three "doctorats interdisciplinaires" but one of them is a "PhD". This is confusing even in French. Especially with Le Monde calling the PhD a "doctorat" how do we explain the difference for the PhD in
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Teacher"... But where ? Teacher is not a "free label"... He doesn't have ANY teacher diploma and never taught in ANY french school... So unless you provide source of his official "French Teacher" activity, here, in France, he's just a personal coach...
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