Talk:Ilie Năstase - Knowledge (XXG)

2596:, stripping diacritics is nonsense... comments about the "English alphabet" are invalid, since the English language uses characters including those with diacritics outside of the "standard". In fact, the English alphabet article tells the reader of diacritics that "Words that are still perceived as foreign tend to retain them". I am absolutely sure that Turkish, Czech, Romanian, etc. surnames are perceived as foreign. Ideally all names for Knowledge (XXG) articles would be spelled in latin-based alphabets with relevant redirects in the case where people search for these terms without diacritics. As far as I know, these redirects already exist, and the time spent on petty squabbles such as this, which has clearly been ongoing for a number of years, would be better served by making real improvements to the quality of articles on Knowledge (XXG) such as fact checking and article development. The whole process of multiple controversial page moves without discussion is, in my opinion, highly objectionable and without valid consensus. 3032:

statement wouldn't have happened. I tried common name and alternate name too if you recall but it's your megaphone to the world that invites the involvement of non-tennis editors. You have been going out of your way to make sure lots of foreign non-tennis editors get all worked up over minor tennis players who wouldn't be listed if not for tennis. Most of the time things were fine until you started editing at tennis. I'm not keeping obsessive tallys of your vandalism like a scorecard, but I hope you have fun doing it. If you want to change it to common English name or alternate name I'm fine with that, but the elimination of the name they use in professional tennis as if it doesn't exist is vandalism in my book.

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find on daviscup.com. Despite this we fix the accents of cities here and that's the right thing to do I guess you agree with me on this ground. Why not fix all of them and acknowledge the fact that English sources follow an errorful primary source and repeat the errors (which you agree they are, if you say cities can have accents, despite all ITF computer-registration limits - the same system that handles player names). Of course they are secondary sources but with the same errors. So we are fixing cities, even stadiums that only host tennis events but not tennis players. Now

2793: 1162:. So Sutter's book isn't perfect but it's quite good. If you want more professional tours details look at "the History of Professional Tennis" by Joe McCauley. Here too there are errors : for instance the 1945 meeting between Kovacs and Van Horn wasn't a 4-man tournament final held in May but a championship match of a World Series (which didn't continue) with a preliminary match between Tilden and Lyttelton Rogers and was played on March 10. To have more details for the 1926-1945 period look at 980: 250: 229: 2842:. We have the cities/stadiums diacritics on. Or let's suppose a stadium is notable because a Davis Cup tie was held there. Should we have its article without diacritics just because of that? Obviously not. So we agree that's an error when it appears in city/stadium names. Why repeat that error in other cases? Do you tell me that cities must register at IPIN too? And that they do it by their own will and choose their names? 662: 369: 2613:, names of tennis players in official sources (ITF, ATP) is in English (non-diacritic). Also the large majority of english general and sports press sources (e.g. BBC, NY Times, ESPN, Sport Illustrated, Tennis.com) use players names name without diacritics, even his own biography. Per WP:UE we must therefore eliminate them in the article title. I believe the way it is handled in the Djokovic article is ideal. -- 545: 524: 119: 95: 555: 181: 2788:. A title should be in the most recognizable form so that readers can pick it out immediately on a search result list. It also gives information to the reader, tells him what the common name of this subject is in English. Neither of these purposes are served be adding diacritics to the title of someone whose name is extremely well-known without diacritics, as this subject is. I get 260: 64: 2097:, which has added the correct form as an alternative spelling. WP:UCN is not about spelling and notes that common inaccuracies are often avoided. Regarding WP:UE, "Ilie Nastase" is certainly closer to "Soren Kierkegaard" and "Besancon" than to anglicized spellings like Florence and Nuremberg. As noted above, the proposed title fails on consistency as well (starting with 2219:, a legal scholar with personal connections to the former communist nomenklatura, became the new prime minister. Under Năstase's leadership, Romania took additional steps to fulﬁll the EU... " It isn't an issue of "out-Romanianing the Romanians" it's an issue of a professor at SSEES and his peers being a better WP:RS for encyclopaedic use than an online newspaper. 193: 1053: 3065:" hasn't happened yet, and consequently has only been marginally discussed. However in view of the fact that it has been added to 104x BLPs already that seems to suggest that we can expect it here too. Perhaps when it is added the best course would be a RfC that lists all 104x BLPs to which the phrase has been added in the last couple of weeks. 3464:: it is absurd to bring this proposal back so soon after a resounding defeat of the last proposal to go with an Anglicised name rather than Ilie Năstase's actual name. Any source that bastardises a name containing diacritics automatically defines itself as non-reliable in relation to that name (speaking as the possessor of three diacritics). 2060:' to be read ), the ex prime minister, and almost none ever give an accent to a Romanian, whether he be a tennis player or ex primeminister. Though not all are diacritic-disabled, because some will give accents to French. The issue isn't just that Năstase is a sportsman (the jock sportswriter element), it's that he's East European. 3302:, etc...Encyclopedia Britannica uses the English alphabet spelling but makes sure that the diacritic version is also present (since both spellings are used and can be easily sourced). At the very least, both spelling versions should be present/noted in the wikipedia article no matter which spelling is ultimately chosen here. 129: 2157:(XXG) has to be pulled down to the level of tennis stubs duplicating rankings of non-notable junior doubles players from web index cards. We all know that non-encylopaedic sources don't behave like encyclopedias, so many more times do we have to listen to "I found a sports page that doesn't use accents." 2954:

it happens that TITLE Ilie Năstase stays where it is (and we continue to prioritise accuracy in BLP names/titles over the diacritic-disabled ITF player registration software), then an advance note that a request be made in the Admin close heading to forestall User Fyunck from inserting the phrase the

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that Prolog has provided spell better than a news agency ticker tape. YES, it can. Knowledge (XXG) is not a blog, it's not a sports website or a ticker-tape, it's not a newspaper, it's an encyclopedia. That really should end this time-wasting disruption from those insisting that the rest of Knowledge

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Hello Feardes. I'm just looking at the ATP Website (Wednesday, August, 29, 2007) and I don't find either the Avis Challenge Cup (WCT) in 1976 either the Las Vegas Challenge Cup WCT in 1977 or Montego Bay in 1978 in this site. Are those tournaments in the ATP Players' Guide ? Thank you for the answer.

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Of course the context above is hard to see but at the time that RfM was created the originator was arguing the exact same reasons as you across a number of locations. So basically it is just a repeat of the same request. It is no fault of yours for reopening it as you weren't around back then as far

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You lost me. Why should Davis Cup follow wikipedia rules? It's a source like any other and it's why we look at multiple English sources to see how something is commonly spelled in English. If we call up the Davis Cup office do you think they'll say they keep making errors and they'll correct it next

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and not the author, which is certainly a business-related primary source. It isn't the title that counts. If they target English readers they deprive the diacritics... It is the author's name what decides. He chose to have diacritics in his name no matter what the book titles are. And as such no one

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I would say the 1991 edition is complete enough from the 50s but many results of the 40's are missing. The 2003 edition just lists the winners and their victories by year (and not date) and alphabetic order. In that last edition are missing many challenger tournaments of the late 90s-early 2000s. Of

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Here "spelling names correctly" seems to imply that native language spelling is correct and English language spelling is incorrect, which turns the "use English" principle on its head. I can only imagine what would happen if this idea was applied to Chinese or Japanese names. Recognizability is the

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Fyunck, please look at the non-tennis side of WP. Either 10,000s of BLPs are "against WP policy" or your understanding is incorrect. Unfortunately your edits to BLPs invite the involvement of non-tennis editors. I have watched these antics for a year, but you upped my interest in your RMs and edits

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FYI The Davis Cup not only deprives the players' names of its diacritics but it does so with all names such as cities', stadiums' and so on. As far as I know cities names can not be changed and this goes for stadiums as well. These are all against WP policies. Why follow it when it comes to players

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Because I was connected too long my corrections hadn't been identified under my pseudonym (but under 80.70.42.194 and 84.96.87.77). I have added all the tournaments not listed by the ATP and I've also corrected Montréal 1972 to Toronto 1972. The Canadian Open (Montréal/Toronto) in the ATP Web site

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What about stadiums? Will you support erasing the accents from their names if they became notable by hosting DC/Fed Cup/tour events? Name questions are all related here. Indeed we look through all English sources, and what we only find if we search for a Davis Cup report is that they USE what they

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to require inaccuracy through carelessness, it may be a choice of style (I'm sure that Romania Online could get diacritics to display if they want to) but a choice of inaccurate style remains inaccurate. If we input "Ceauşescu" - which helps readers by indicating pronunciation: not "Chau-SESS-ku"

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In the open era Kenneth Robert Rosewall win the 1971 Australian Open without losing a set. However there were only 48 entrants in that tourney with 6 rounds so 16 players, among them Rosewall, as #2 seed, had byes in the first round. Therefore Kenny only played 5 matches to capture the Australian

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I'd rather you didn't as it because take this to e.g. Gorges is translated to Georges in English from German. The name in question is written in German on here. Now are you suggesting that because the English translation is used in the press, which is correct I might add from studying German, is

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Boy you are really pushing against wiki policy these days IIO. If a person is known by multiple names or spellings it it required that somewhere in the lead that all are shown. It can say alternate name or common English name if you prefer (I'm flexible). But if a person is known throughout the

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which is a better guideline than Britannia webpage which says "Nastase also spelled Năstase" - truly incompetent of Britannia in this instance. Although Other three sources given: ITF, ATP, Davis Cup, do not qualify as WP:RS, merely registration pages for a diacritic-disabled system (for use on

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Titles should be both recognizable and consistent. The removal of the breve does not aid recognizability, but the retainment of it does make the article consistent with other biographies on Romanian people. Google News hits demonstrate the news style that conflicts with the encyclopedic style.

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Wow...you are really looking at this through warped glasses. My interest in adding the vital information of "professionally known as" only happened because of your vandalism to eliminate all traces of English. had they remained at their English names in this English wikipedia the professional

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Nastase is one of the very very few real "geniuses" of tennis. He did not have a very fast serve, but during play could place a ball ANYWHERE HE WANTED on the opponent's court from almost any position. He could (can?) shoot huge spin-magic balls and I don't know of anyone else able to do that

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I was addressing Prolog's claim that dropping off diacritics is a "common inaccuracy". This implies that the Romanian English-language press can't spell Romanian names accurately, as if Wiki should out-Romanian the Romanians. In ictu oculi's argument is a style argument, and Wiki's style is

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Just to note this is an RM based on wiki guidelines. As far as I can see the previous one was based on no guidelines. Please refrain from supporting with as per previous RM. Totally different argument here and therefore oppose and support should focus on what I've written in the request.

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That last comment is so badly written and ungrammatical that I don't feel any need to respond directly to it. For others, I would add that for biographical articles, especially BLP articles, the title should be the person's actual name, not whatever the most common mangled version in the

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as I can see from your first edit date. But most people involved in the area of diacritics have gotten tired of the constant rehashing of the debate so it is reasonable for them to point to the discussion above as their reason so they don't have to type it all out again. -

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therefore unreliable as per your sweeping comment beforehand. So you must be careful before making sweeping statements. As well it is not a mis spelling if the diacritics are dropped by reliable sources, and therefore by consensus if everyone in the language follows suit.

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you want diacritics then take them to your own language. They are not used on English Language websites, newspapers or books and if they do certainly not consistently. They are not appropriate or part of the English Language, unless you're spelling Emily or Cafe.

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His first book list ended in autumn 1991 (I do not exactly remember) and not with the Masters 1991 : I think October for the main tournaments (probably Paris-Bercy) and September for the challenger tournaments. But Sutter had to end his book for the Masters 1991.

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etc. to BLPs, but you continue to edit-war across what you seem to consider your personal territory on Knowledge (XXG). You were yesterday up to 104x inserts of this phrase "professionally known as " and another x of "known professionally as ." This is not just

3735:@In ictu oculi What utter nonsense you spout. WP Diacritics states that it is English RS that determined whether accents are used not any old non English RS and that sunny is exactly what the policy you worship states. So vote should void. Not a valid reason. 1160:(one example : he picked up the South Australian Pro held at Perth in January 1964, a 4-man round robin tournament but he made an error because he wrote that Hoad was the 2nd instead of Rosewall, in fact Hoad played the last match against the winner, Laver) 1158:

course they are some errors (for instance the 1951 World Pro at Lakewood won by Kovacs is listed twice, some cities are wrong, many dates aren't good and so on) as everywhere and in general, but not always, he dismissed the less than 8-man tournaments

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is always wrongly sited at Montreal : in fact it permuted each year, held one year at Montréal and the following one at Toronto and so on ... In 1972 the Canadian Open won by Nastase took place at Toronto and not at Montréal as indicated by the ATP.

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The word "distinctions" for several of these entries is just another word for "trivia", which is disencouraged by WP. I propose renaming it to something like "Firsts and records", and removing any trivia already mentioned elsewhere in the article.

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I am only "suggesting" that sources that do not spell correctly names that carry diacritics are not reliable sources for spellings of that name. I do not understand your campaign to have a mis-spelling used as the title of a BLP article.

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based on a misunderstanding of WP Diacritics, which states that a English RSs should be used to determined whether accents are used or not. Since you haven't read the rules or understand them may I suggest you reconsider this vote.

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per previous outcomes at this RM and others. Many English-language sources will omit diacritics for technical reasons, but it behooves us as an international encyclopedia to properly represent names, especially for BLPs.

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with diacritics on. He is not only notable for being a tennis player but that he is involved in politics and being the author of several books. And thus in his latter activities he uses his Romanian-form name as normal.

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I was aware you'd attack that part since anyone with an eye less than 2 dioptres could see the giant header of the book from miles away. But I didn't say the book is the main point. A book's title is defined by

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but "Nastase also spelled Năstase" cited above. That means that even though Britannia is a WP:RS, which the ITF player stubs are not, Britannia alone is not a particularly weighty source on BLP diacritics.

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This discussion has been going the same way as recent RMs for obscure players. But the subject is extremely well-known and has appeared in thousands and thousands of reliable sources without a diacritic.

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07:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC). By chance I've seen an old version you've written on September 3 that you've erased : in particular the source of the 1968 Bogota win : I will add the source in the article.

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Nastase was one of the few players who could use "antics" to try and disrupt his opponent's concentration and it often drew laughter from crowds. He was an entertainer, sure, but the article has

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why is nastase considered a Romanian-American by wiki? he stayed in the US for a while and played there... but he is a Romanian and lives in Romania. Could someone change this? query added by

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saga, where Fyunck(click), MakeSense64 and Kauffner try to make it seem like dropping diacritics from tennis player names is a wonderful idea that nobody has thought of yet. No, it's not. --

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The Latin alphabet is not the English alphabet. I love how sometimes the EB is great and sometimes it's incompetent... you use it when it fits your needs and throw it away when it doesn't.

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As regards "The Latin alphabet is not the English alphabet" in response presumably to "..transliterates cyrillic names like Tchaikovsky, but Ilie Năstase is already in Latin alphabet like

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This sentence doesn't make sense: "He is the second male player to win a Grand Slam without dropping a set after Ilie Nastase and first one to achieve this feat at French Open (1973)."

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As I said above Ilie Năstase is notable for not only tennis but for books and politics. So you are against yourself here. But that's another contradiction in the non-diacritics theory.

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Those sources, and others like them, would rarely use diacritics even for Søren Kierkegaard (an example at WP:UE), so I don't see how you can claim that the policy supports this move.

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all that praise to said sources, rather than letting it appear to be in Knowledge (XXG)'s own voice. As with the other writer, I'd prefer someone more knowledgeable than me do this.

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The name of this article should be changed to "Ilie Nastase" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, which are the

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Over five years later this section still reads like it was written by Nastase's publicist. A suggestion: I see there are sources cited. It shouldn't be too hard to look them up and

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week? I don't think so. They spell things with the English alphabet like the NY Times or Sydney Herald. I think all cities are notable in their own right... not just for tennis.

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And that is a mistake. Diacritics are part of the English orthography which is part of the English language. They are used in English language websites, newspapers and books. -

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covers it well and should be applied here. Noone should classify himself/herself above the others based on his/her belief of bearing a superior knowledge on the very subject.

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is a Serb, not a Romanian, his name is written in Cyrillic normally, WP:UE transliterates cyrillic names like Tchaikovsky, but Ilie Năstase is already in Latin alphabet like

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with a diacritic, several of which are not relevant. John Parsons' books are the top-selling tennis reference works. The current one is not online, but you can check his

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particularly when it says that article titles must be in the English name. The alternative/non English name should be in brackets in the first line. From WP Diacritics

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So there we go that's the general usage covered as BBC, Guardian, Times, Telegraph, Mail et al. All English Language sources all RS and none of them use diacritics.

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No there not. I can name BBC, Guardian, Times, Telegraph, Mail et al. All English Language sources all RS and none of them use diacritics. Additionally it states

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can tell him what his writing alias should be. So stop attacking the "weak" points because they are not weak points, it's you who don't think two steps forward.

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where there are several reports (the first link in the site is "FORGOTTEN VICTORIES: A History of Pro Tennis 1926-1945, CH XIII - THE HIGH WAR YEARS 1943-1945"

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That was a bit misleading. This article is part of WikiProject Romania and WikiProject Tennis, both of which were notified, as was the talk page that has an

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we must eliminate them in the article title for the non-diacritic one, but put the diacritic one in as a secondary or native name for the tennis player like

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Mentioned tournaments are also listed as Nastase's titles in "2004 ATP Players Guide". The only issue is that they are assigned to a different years.

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about it at the time of writing this. Phrases such as "Ilie Năstase was noted for his sorcery with the racket" are quoted as proof of this.

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this section seems like a sycophantic wet dream! but i know too little about tennis, so i wouldn't feel comfortable about changing it...

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The above contains several personal attacks and some conflation of myself with other "non-tennis editors" which I won't be addressing.

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appears to be a common casual orthographic convenience by English sources rather than a decision by the subject not to use the form

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is not consistent with tennis and ice hockey players, but the entry on Năstase does confirm that the diacritic can be retained.

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has any diacritics in it. In any case, this article is about Nastase the tennis player rather than Nastase the author, so the

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If you don't know much about tennis please go and learn a bit before "vommenting" here. Read the tennis hall of fame page:

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and edits such as this "professionally known as". You have been asked by at least eight editors to cease adding e.g. "

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His second book list ended on April 27, 2003 (I suppose in order to be presented during the Roland Garros tournament)

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per reliable sources mentioned in previous RM. The issues with GBook results has been discussed in the past as well.

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The problem with the web edition of Britannica, as has been stated before is that it lacks the consistency of the

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it doesn't even contain the lettter "W", or lower case letters, so arguing that it is written in Latin is wrong.

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So you're suggesting that the whole of the English speaking press are unreliable then?

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